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Sheila Nawrot's avatar

I wonder how Rosie O Donnell feels about this? Ireland is her new home since Diktator Trump has taken over America.

I wonder how long us prols are going to tolerate this. I cannot imagine the frustration teacher is experiencing? Just reading this story makes me feel like I can’t breathe.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

"I wonder how Rosie O Donnell feels about this? Ireland is her new home since Diktator Trump has taken over America."

—The state using violence to extract obedience? She probably likes it.

"Just reading this story makes me feel like I can’t breathe."

—Right there with you. It creates a cognitive and moral conflict that is not easy to resolve.

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David G Leeper's avatar

~50 years ago Rosie O'Donnell was a comedian in New Jersey. My wife and I saw her perform at a comedy club. She was genuinely funny. I laughed so hard that I thought I'd stop breathing Alas, somewhere she picked up the "woke mind virus", and now she cannot recover.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Well, she technically *could* recover, but she probably won't.

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David G Leeper's avatar

Even worse than govt-forbidden speech is govt-*compelled* speech.

As Jordan Peterson has said about Canada's similar Big-Brother initiatives (paraphrased): <<I won't do it. If they fine me, I won't pay it. If they imprison me, I'll go on a hunger strike. I won't do it!>>

This madness may soon have lived its course -- I'm almost 78 -- I hope I live long enough to see this hideous nonsense crash and burn.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

As long as we continue to claim and believe that anyone ought to be allowed to have any position of authority, these things are possible.

No more masters!

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Dave pearen's avatar

What a complete disgrace

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Bob Rohan's avatar

Drop the fantasy of “going back to Ireland”. They are now a “police state”

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Christopher Cook's avatar

We did want to go for a visit—my wife's never been…

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Bob Rohan's avatar

Of course, I speak ONLY for myself; surely you should go and enjoy the people and the country. 💚

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I bet we'll be okay if we stick to the countryside…and don't post any memes 🤣

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Roger Sterling's avatar

Ireland is on the road to becoming North Korea …will go bankrupt…and fade into obscurity

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David G Leeper's avatar

Most readers will probably remember when Ireland became an oasis among western countries -- they lowered their corporate tax to, as I recall, 12%, the lowest anywhere at the time -- business, jobs, and wealth flourished.

Alas, as Thomas Sowell has said (paraphrased): <<The history of the 20th century is replete with swapping out what works for what sounds good.>>

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Such a brilliant man—so many great quotes!

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albert venezio's avatar

Thank you Christopher! Terrible and Disgusting The Irish are some of the most Free-Thinking People in the World and have fought against British Tyranny for centuries with almost nothing. The Scotch-Irish and Irish were a very high % of American commanders and soldiers during the American Revolution and without them there would be no America.

This is what Insane "woke" Communism does to a country but be ready for Trump's Fascist version which has already made great in-roads in America and his Terrible Trap will spring very soon.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

The Irish also provided fuel for the American democrats for decades and the Scots actually keep voting SNP or worse. (Not that I favor voting as a system, but it's indicative of poor judgment.)

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albert venezio's avatar

Yes, the Irish were a sizable portion of the US working class which mostly voted democrat. Scotland now is taken over by Woke fever.

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Amaterasu Solar's avatar

We really should be withdrawing Our consent from that whole psychopathic legal/governmental system and standing on Ethical ground - in aggregate!

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Yes, we really should!!

That is absolutely the correct answer.

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Amaterasu Solar's avatar

🤗 💜 🤗

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Frater Seamus's avatar

This is nothing short of being blackmailed into groupthink. You tow the line, follow the rules, say the right things or we break you financially. One of the many reasons governments should not have the powers they do - I agree that this is theft, clear and simple, took away a man's hard earned money for standing up for his principles.

This is also why teachers with integrity and backbone are becoming a thing of the past. Who would risk their livelihood with this type of threat looming over them? Not many.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

It's theft even if they take the money for "good" reasons, and this–well, there is no punishment too severe for the officials involved in this.

But as long as people continue to claim that someone has to play master and the rest of us must play slave, this sh1t will continue.

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CP's avatar

Tragic. Perhaps, at long last, we can stop believing in the fairy tale of European values.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

sharing.

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jesse porter's avatar

Indefensible.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

and enraging.

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Anthony Bruni's avatar

I believe the IRS mis gendered me as well. Guess I ger to keep my money this year. Oh wait this is just a thinly veiled excuse to steal money

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Exactly. It's a gang. A racket.

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John P. Wallis's avatar

They come no dumber than an Irish politician. That'll be the day someone in Givernment gave their last order.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Would this be a bridge too far for us here in the States? Or can they pretty much boil the frog anywhere they like now?

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John P. Wallis's avatar

There are Frogs boiling globally...

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Sadly yes.

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Arthur's avatar

How very British Ireland has become.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

So many European countries going the same route. Organic, or coordinated somehow?

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Arthur's avatar

Christopher,

I really don't believe what is happening is organic. I believe what is happening is anti-Western civilization/Christianity ..., by royalty and globalists who owe their wealth and power to Western civilization/Christianity.

In March 2009, I learned that the U. S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) unveiled a Domestic Terrorist Profile (DTP). When I read who was "profiled," it was readily apparent the first ones targeted were Catholics, Christians, Orthodox Jews, those who hold fast to the U. S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, own a gun or guns, are pro-life, especially those who are anti-abortion, even those who sport a bumpersticker advocating for limited government. Once these nuisances are imprisoned or eliminated, the Profile can be altered to identify the next groups to control. None of the resources that discussed this issue are still available online; what a surprise!

Look at what is happening in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and elsewhere. Those under attack in these countries and throughout the EU are those who would fall under the DHS DTP, if they were in the U. S. Technology can bring great benefits, but in the wrong hands, it can create great danger. I'm praying that something will happen that will prevent the deployment of digital IDs, digital "currency," and a social credit scoring system. Once those "go live," it will be very difficult to escape what the royals and globalists have planned for us, all across the globe.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

"I really don't believe what is happening is organic."

—Same here. The agenda is far too similar in so many places.

" I'm praying that something will happen that will prevent the deployment of digital IDs, digital "currency," and a social credit scoring system."

—I don't know what that thing might be. Federalism in the U.S. might do it. Some states may pass laws saying NO. Ideally, they should do it now, preemptively, BEFORE it becomes an issue. Because once it becomes an issue, the PtB will start knocking off rogue legislators, governors, and heads of state, just like they did with those four African leaders who refused to allow the vax.

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Arthur's avatar

I wish I knew what might happen to prevent the full deployment of digital IDs, digital "currency," and a social credit scoring system. I leave that up to our Savior. It will be supernatural!

Federalism is an option, but I don't believe party leadership of both parties will allow this to happen.

Yep, I'm aware of four African leaders who were assassinated for resisting the injections for their people. Heck, this should wake a few people up to reality!

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Christopher Cook's avatar

You, sir, are helping to wake those people up by spreading the word. Keep up the good work!

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Rat's avatar

To an extent, a negative selection effect. For decades, government work was for people who couldn't find anything better to do — it paid relatively little but provided job security; and even when it started to pay better, hardly anyone likes to hire people smarter than themselves.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Power for low-status people. Makes sense.

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John Wright's avatar

Tyranny... it's not just in the USA... it's everywhere.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

By many metrics, it is worse in the rest of the Anglosphere than it is here.

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Teàrlach's avatar

The fines are for continuing to turn up at the school after it appears he was sacked

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Teàrlach's avatar

I do accept difference.

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Teàrlach's avatar

But I’ll give the article a read.

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Teàrlach's avatar

I don’t feel like that

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Thank you for the update.

That would not much change the overall injustice of it, though. It would not change the injustice of firing teachers for not conforming to leftist tyranny or fining them for protesting; or for the fact that government schools exist in the first place, or the fact that involuntary governments impose themselves upon everyone without consent. It's all bad.

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Teàrlach's avatar

This is very much a European thing. However schools in Ireland are largely run by the church. And I’m sure you would agree that it is the employer’s right. It is also his right to martyr himself

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Is the school in question entirely private?

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Teàrlach's avatar

And it’s in the accepting of those differences that people get along

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Christopher Cook's avatar

But people don't accept their differences. They live in a constant state of conflict because the system is winner-take-all. My "side" wins and we get to impose our $hit on you for a while, until your side wins and you get to retaliate. It's a recipe for endless strife.

And it does not have to be that way. Sterlin Lujan has a great article on it today.

https://sterlinlujan.substack.com/p/the-end-of-ideology

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Teàrlach's avatar

I do not accept the assumption …… we only argue because. I do not believe that people are generally sane and sensible. I support the idea but see people? Hmmmm. That’s how I feel. Hmmmm.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

A lot of people are not sane or sensible. On this we very much agree!

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Teàrlach's avatar

That’s where the issues arise

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Teàrlach's avatar

I accept the result of my voting as give and take. I live in Scotland and vote for a party the voting system is designed to keep out of power. Yet that party still wins.

As far as Britain is concerned I still vote for that party even tho it will never hold power.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I just wish you could choose to live under such a system and I could choose to opt out, as opposed to it being imposed upon me against my will.

(My brother lives in The Borders and my sister in Edinburgh. They both vote, but very differently 🤣)

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Teàrlach's avatar

That’s your right. I choose to vote

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I understand.

At the consent level of analysis, though, your vote causes things to be done to me to which I did not agree. Even if they are done by proxy, that is still a violation.

Think of it this way: if I stick a gun in your ribs and tell you that you must do, or pay for, this thing or that or I will lock you in my basement, I am guilty of a moral (and legal) crime. So what is the moral alchemy that absolves me of that crime if I do the exact same thing, except via a third party, through a vote?

(I know I said I would not try to convince you and here I am doing so, so feel free to not reply if you wish. But it's food for thought at least.)

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Teàrlach's avatar

So you vote for one thing I vote for another. Or not. We cooperate we compete. Life goes on.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Except I do not vote, because I believe (among other things) that it is morally wrong for me to attempt to gain control of levers of power in order to subject you to things to which you do not consent, but which will nonetheless be imposed upon you by force.

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Teàrlach's avatar

You are perfectly entitled to believe what you believe. And Burke is perfectly entitled to believe as he does. All actions have consequences

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Christopher Cook's avatar

And some actions are more morally defensible than others.

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Teàrlach's avatar

It’s what we vote for.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I would bet dollars to donuts that Burke did not vote for it. So, a system to which he did not consent produced a result to which he also does not consent, but that will nonetheless be forced upon him through violence. 'Democracy' is fundamentally a nonconsensual system.

I am not seeking to convince you of anything in this particular conversation, but as info, I am not a supporter of that sort of system, as it is fundamentally violative of individual human consent, which is rooted in the inalienable self-ownership of each person.

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Teàrlach's avatar

No idea. But state schooling is how I was educated. Non denominational. Private schools exist

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Clay's avatar

This cyberpunk dystopia sucks. The government can freeze our bank accounts for wrongspeak, and I can't get a cybernetic limb replacement. I want my robot arm!

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Good point!

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