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Crixcyon's avatar

Trust individuals who have no false God (government) before them. If you can find them, the person to trust is the one who has no ulterior motives and doesn't need to lie to make themselves look good.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Those are some good assessment metrics.

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Philip Mollica's avatar

I completely agree that there is no "fixing" this.

It all must fall.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Would You Stand Up to an Authoritarian Regime or Conform? Here's The Science

ScienceAlert, October 11, 2019

https://www.sciencealert.com/would-you-stand-up-to-an-authoritarian-regime-or-conform-here-s-the-science

This piece was authored by a professor of behavioural science, Nick Chater, University of Warwick, UK.

Interesting to note that it clearly contemplated Trump as the authoritarian regime that needed to be stood up to. And even more interesting to note that it was published at the same time as Event 201 and first hints of a "China Virus" were noted.

Interesting coincidences. It's almost like global interests knew what was to come. And wanted Trump to be the bad guy people would stand up to.

It's actually filled with useful info, assessments of humanity, advice on how to build support for freedom in a society turning into authoritarianism

When the preferred leaders from the left became the bad guys running authoritarian regimes the Nick Chater's suddenly had amnesia about the importance of freedom. He later wrote about the need to obey plandemic mandates, oblivious to their own counsel. Which informs me that their commitment to freedom principles is predicated on which "team" he identifies with.

Still, he shared valuable truth when he thought his "team's" freedom was under attack.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Yeah, I'm pretty much done with the team thing.

"What a field-day for the heat

A thousand people in the street

Singing songs and carrying signs

Mostly say, hooray for our side."

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Freedom Fox's avatar

You better Stop. Children.

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John Ketchum's avatar

Your George Carlin quote reminded me of one I heard from a free market economist in the 1980s: “There are two kinds of people in the world: those who love and cherish freedom and want it for everyone, and those who love and cherish freedom and want it only for themselves.” I can't imagine anyone wanting to be forced to do something he doesn't want to do, or to be restrained from doing something he wants to do. In the same decade, a libertarian friend hypothesized that the reason many people support oppressive laws is that, as a practical matter, such laws don't deprive their proponents of freedom, because they have no inclination to behave contrary to the laws they advocate. For instance, it's easy for someone who doesn't intend to use recreational drugs to favor their prohibition.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

"a libertarian friend hypothesized that the reason many people support oppressive laws is that, as a practical matter, such laws don't deprive their proponents of freedom, because they have no inclination to behave contrary to the laws they advocate."

—One of the many reasons why "democracy" is garbage.

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Robert Garron's avatar

When two gators and two chickens vote....

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Christopher Cook's avatar

💯

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Well...somehow I managed to hang on to a sense that people were not dangerous -- as a rule -- to life and liberty. This despite so many examples of "Americans" accepting the absurd (JFK assassination official story) or accepting that somehow "government" had the authority to incinerate recalcitrant others a là Waco or Philadelphia (1985). Yet I still had not come to see "mankind" as dangerous "in exigent circumstances."

That took Sep 11th.

It took a decade+ of working on trying to bring the truth of that absurdity to realize how dangerous -- and unteachable -- are the vast majority. I "exited" that truth movement with a deep-in-my-bones sense that what this country had done to itself and others as a result of that bullshit story was gonna come back around. Good and hard.

And that good and hard was the "COVID" op. Recognizable instantly. This time absolutely no effort to inform, convince, cajole -- nothing. Just watching, planning, acting -- and defying. I never did a single thing called upon by a$$ wipe governors or my fellow citizens. NONE of it.

It is so interesting to read this post, Christopher. Of late, I have been saying more and more that I like individuals. Like you, I endeavor to always be polite, to smile all while knowing that when it counts, I can count on but a handful, knowing that "mankind" -- in exigent circumstances -- poses a danger to me and to all that is good and decent.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

You are absolutely right.

Waco was a massive pivot point for me. That was the moment I really started to wake up.

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MakerOfNoise's avatar

The powers that be really seems to fear people that start setting up a life outside the system, especially if the outsiders are armed. Waco was an example of this, but also Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, and Gaddafi. I'm sure the CIA will oust the new leader of Burkina Faso. He's not bending a knee to Western business men.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

We will have to find a new way. For one thing, we need to be decentralized, leaderless, and everywhere as quickly as possible.

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Domenic C. Scarcella's avatar

I was also more identifiably Conservative when I was younger. I became more freedom-oriented -- because that's genuinely dignity-oriented -- through early adulthood. And now I'm an anarchist. It took longer than the "six months" in the punchline to the joke about the difference between libertarians and anarchists, but it happened.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Yes. It is the logical progression. And I do mean logical—as in, when one does the philosophical calculus, some sort of voluntaryist principle is the logical conclusion of the ideas of classical liberalism.

As I have heard the joke, the six months is the gap specifically between minarchist and anarchist. Like, once one has gotten all the way to minarchist, the time it takes to have those final realizations is pretty short.

It totally played out that way for me. I don't know if it was six months exactly, but it was short.

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ken taylor's avatar

To achieve your governmentless world you have your starting points reversed. When mankind was fractured from groups into the idea of individuals and private property then government became necessary to protect the individuals and their property---that's Locke not Rousseau.

Anarchist Peter Kropotkin argued in order to abolish government all property must become common and all who wanted to stand out as individuals should be killed. well the last part is a little bit much for me. Kropotkin hated Marxism by the way.

Proudhom, one of the first self-proclaimed anarchists, sent Marx packing, believed we needed to be less individualistic. At first he thought no property, but then realized the property needed to belong to the world.

You can't proclaim everyone has to be an individual with his own property. You sound like Thomas Hobbes more than a utopian anarchist, except he thought that then chaos would ensue and a tyrannical govt. would be needed.

I can't get it. If people are individualistic they will fight each other. If the individuals have property they will fight over it, and if they don't have any property, they will fight to get it.

The world you describe without a government is the world that came to be because governments came to be.

I cannot understand.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I have virtually nothing in common with Rousseau or Hobbes. My outlook is much closer to Locke's. And I definitely do not favor the anti-propertarian or anti-individualist outlook of Kropotkin, Proudhon, or Marx.

The locus of rights must be the individual. It cannot be otherwise. And the individual needs property to survive. It cannot be otherwise. However, that does not mean that individuals cannot associate or cooperate. Nor does it mean that there must be chaos. There are lots of ways to achieve order and respect for rights. Involuntary governance is only one way, and it's not an especially good one.

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ken taylor's avatar

further discussion necessary.

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albert venezio's avatar

Wow! Perfect Christopher!

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Christopher Cook's avatar

🙏🏻

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Amaterasu Solar's avatar

I love Humanity, so beset with grooming and agitation by the moneyed psychopaths in control - that which I aim to stop. I love Individuals unconditionally, but may not like Them personally, depending on the behavior They choose.

And I trust a very Few.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Sensible.

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Robert Garron's avatar

Most of humanity is useless and twisted. Thry scream for extinction.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Which is why we should only put in so much effort trying to convince them.

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Mystic William's avatar

One thing COVID taught me…well, a few things…1. The vast majority of humans are not yet ‘turned on’. They are automatons. And, 2. Very few people can be convinced through rational, logical arguments. And almost no one can be once they are afraid. 3. Most people live in fear. They mask it. They anesthetize it, but it is there under the surface.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

You just nicely summarized a lot of Desmet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5bo_KFqgo

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Mystic William's avatar

Thanks.

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Mystic William's avatar

I have listened to most of it. He seems like a good guy.

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Mystic William's avatar

On the positive side the 20% awake are more than the 10% committed bad guys. The balance being the NPCs. The 70% automaton NPCs can’t so much as be ‘won over’ but when the tide turns they will all switch sides automatically. And pretend they were never into that COVID thing really.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Yes, that is true. The kelp change with the tide.

However, I personally wish to put in no direct effort on that front. I am happy to create something new and set an example, but I am not going to talk to kelp.

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Robert Garron's avatar

That beckons a very sorry state for humanity. We'll probably lose the only bastion left of western civilization, as well as civilization itself....indefinitely.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

We will protect civilization in a new way, and build a new civilization.

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Mystic William's avatar

But this is nothing new. It isn’t like this fear thing hasn’t been a part of the human psyche forever.

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ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

AMERICA, THE BEAUTIFUL - DON'T FUCKIT UP.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

So long as it is run in the way it is, bad things are inevitable. A project of saving “America” would be benefitted by rethinking what America is.

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ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Or rather remember what America is. Absolute freedom. The epitome of free will.

Apparently the empire has a problem with that.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

But really, America was only in absolute freedom during the Revolution, when all there was was the Continental Congress, which had little power or intention to control the lives of anyone. The Articles were good, but still not absolute freedom. And the Constitution took things in a worse direction.

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ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Interesting perspective.

Happy 250! It's about time an actual President decided to celebrate the history of Freedom that made America the most loved and hated country on earth.

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ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Howdy, it's been a while since I've interacted because this substack platform doesn't pay my bills... 😁

"In his A Conflict of Visions, Thomas Sowell identifies these as aspects of the broader “unconstrained” and “constrained” visions of mankind."

Out of several 'examples' here. I picked Sowell.

Interesting dichotomy, when 'abundance' dictates - the outcomes. Money/Currency, a 'store of value' that which defys natural law.

By now it's obvious. And simple: Eat or starve. Live or die trying...

... Mankind playing God.

... a diabolical concept spawned from the most despicable and weak excuses of human beings that ever walked the planet Earth.

This particular Chapter is absolutely Magnificent.

👏👏👏

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Christopher Cook's avatar

As I have been saying over the last few years, the universe does not owe us any existence. It’s just rocks and trees and earthworms and stuff. There’s no magic chicken sandwich tree. We have to do something productive to survive, or somehow take from the productivity of another.

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ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Yes, be one - with the chicken sandwich.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

🐓🥪

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Dr Kay's avatar

I'm with you; the covid psy op most definitely made me realize that humanity is indeed a threat! I'm STILL working to release and heal myself of all the ptsd from that horrendous wake up call, which pierced through the veil to reveal the identity of the gods that my liberal friends and family members (and up to that point, myself as well) were worshipping. If they were only capable of seeing it, they would also be horrified....but the mind control is too strong. Land of the Lotus Eaters, surrounded by poppy fields. - Unlike you, my shift in perceptions happened much later in life.....and it moved very quickly; going from life-long liberalism to conservativism in early 2020, then less than a year later into libertarianism. By the end of 2021, right around the same time that I got fired from my long and lucrative career for refusing to bow to medical tyranny, I renounced U.S. corporate citizenship and declared myself a state national, with full intention to eventually extricate myself from participation in every one of their damn contracts. It's all fraud, tyranny and control; all of it.

- When I was still working, I seriously could not believe how few people even recognized that the tyranny going on during the plandemic was pure, premeditated evil, but their senses have been so compromised that discernment was impossible. For so many of them, it still is; they will never connect the dots to the so-called 'vaccine' root cause of their new health problems because of all the brainwashing......and many have become psychologically unbalanced from all the poisons that are in their systems, so they are even more firmly rooted in the illusions spun by the corporate control systems. -- Interestingly, though; the community of State Nationals; all like minded people who have seen through the lies of the "democracy" cult and taken the bold steps to exit, is all real people who have each other's backs and have proven themselves over and over again by showing up. I have learned that these people can indeed be trusted, both individually and as a collective. Over the last several years, the numbers of these people have been steadily growing.....and eventually will overtake the numbers of brainwashed cult followers to become a visible component of "mankind". Those people are worthy of trust.....because they are people and not persons, men and women and not corporate constructs, a free people standing in honor, integrity and courage, eyes wide open and not a sickened, dumbed-down, weak herd of livestock existing only to be used as food for the fake gods.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Great statement, great comment.

“their senses have been so compromised that discernment was impossible.”

—Propaganda and brainwashing definitely play a role. However, I also think that a lot of people are just like this. What was it Nietzsche said about how people care more about appearances and personal safety than they do about truth? Unfortunately, I think he was right. (Are you familiar with the work of Mattias Desmet at all?)

As far as state nationals go, I support your efforts. I am glad to know that people are trying to escape however they can.

For me, though, as an anarchist/consentist/whatever, it is not enough. The state government is no more consensual than the federal, and the consent of the individual human is the fundamental unit of moral concern. But, like I saw—I support y’all. Smaller is better.

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Dr Kay's avatar

Thank you, and yes, I bought and read Desmet's book shortly after it came out in 2023. It is good from the social behavioral perspective which is a very important piece of the puzzle. The puzzle itself, though ....is much bigger than that. Desmet's book sent me diving into Hannah Ahrendt, Joost Meerloo and Michael Nehls. All of these important works together really help to form the tapestry of the big picture. - Back when the covid psy op's coordinated response was first rolling out, April of 2020, I was diving into Steve Hassan's work on reprogramming cult survivors. I was convinced that the insane behavior of my coworkers and my family was all being programmed by cult grooming techniques, and at the time I was heavily focused on trying to find ways to get people free from it. I am strongly claircognizent and I intuitively knew when the very first whispers of "pandemic" were rustling through the hive in Boston( Central Office of the State agency where I worked, and the pipeline to the political machine) that an unholy solution in a poison needle was going to be the ultimate goal .....and I was trying to cut it off at the pass because I knew that a lot of people that I cared about were going to be harmed thinking it was the new messiah. I was obsessed with finding a way to show them that they were under a spell long before it became an issue.

- Nothing that I said or did got through to the majority....but it did get through to a few. I began really studying hypnosis and nlp because I KNEW that there was something else going on that was a lot deeper than what was appearing on the surface. As I was looking. things began to crystalize. At my job, a ramping up of the yearly "mandatories" -- diversity, privacy, browsing (looking up personal information for any non-business use), cyber security, yadda yadda.....all with the underlying message of COMPLIANCE. Obeying the state. Following the herd. "we're in this together" At least once a month and sometimes more, beginning around the summer of 2020 and continuing up until I was fired in November of 2021, there was a new mandatory class that everyone was required to complete as a condition of continued employment. The exact same information only presented in a different format; all were online.....at the time some people were saying "wait a minute, didn't we just have to go through a "diversity, equity and inclusion" training a couple of months ago??" People figured that the state was contracting with different providers of this sort of training materials, and that was the reason that so much redundant training was rolling out.....but I was recognizing hypnotic language patterns, repetition, AND I starting digging into the contractors behind the material, and discovered that it wasn't a bunch of them, it was just one. One company, whose CEO was a Tavistock protege. That realization caused me to dig even further into media and subliminal programming; state employees here in massachusetts, and most likely federal as well as municipal employees are all under these types of "continuing ed" mandates for yearly education.....and so, public employees are all being bombarded with mind control on a consistent basis. In addition to that, the entire public through media outlets; CNN, NBC, Fox, all of them are using hypnotic technique overtly ....and it is very, very likely that there are subliminal messages slipping in beneath peoples' notice. Fear is a door that opens the Subconconscious; once that door is open, you can slide whatever programming commands that you want and people won't even know it. This was most definitely going on. Only people (like me) who didn't watch television or pay attention to any of the media were unaffected by the fear programming. Anyhoo....after I lost my job, I decided that I needed formal training in hypnosis and NLP so that I would have concrete tools to actually do something to help people. That was in 2022; so later, reading Desmet, Nehls, et al all were very helpful for me in comprehending the full landscape of how so much brainwashing was possible. Michael Nehls' book The Indoctrinated Brain is a powerfully scientific dive into HOW the brain becomes rewired -- to the point of where personality gets overridden. Memories of a way of being become lost. He comes from the Neuroscience perspective.......he says it is irreversable.- A visual way to relate the information that he has presented can be found in the horrible Disney movie "Monsters Inc" -- in the mechanical system that the monsters use to go through doors to target specific children. The hypothalamus is the conveyor belt -- and the doors are memories. The conveyor belt keeps moving, accessing doors.....but if a door gets broken into a million little pieces, the room that that specific door leads to can never be accessed again. That is how the covid psy op and the mind control programming fear messages have been working to destroy doors in peoples' psyches; memories of old beliefs, of old situations where they responded differently, and instead, new doorways that have been created artificially through the mind control programming become the "new normal" for people. - So you see, it is much, much deeper and wider than simply choosing to go along with the mainstream concensus due to status, and other social factors......it actually affects the hardwiring of peoples' biology. - For the record, I do want to say that with all the extensive training and practice that I have been immersed in for going on four years now, I DON'T think that these memories are irretrievable....the subconscious mind is the enormous iceberg which holds everything in our entire experience and most of it is is not in our conscious awareness. Hypnosis and NLP are immensely powerful and effective tools that I am know beyond the shadow of a doubt can be used for the good, and they can do a great deal to help people get back what they have lost.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Main question:

It seems that two things are the case here:

1. People are easily programmed.

2. There are nefarious actors with nefarious aims who want to program people.

My first thought is this: We are not going to be rid of either category of people any time soon. The programmable and the evil programmers are with us for the foreseeable future.

So, what, in your view, is the proper response to that reality?

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Dr Kay's avatar

It's a tough question, because ethics are profoundly important....and to try and use the same underhanded tactics to unprogram people without their knowledge and consent in the same way that they've been programmed in the first place feels like wrongful manipulation and like a violation of sovereignty. Sovereignty has been one of the most resonant concepts to arise out of the entire covid psy op; what it is, and what it isn't, and why it's one of the most important lessons of this age. Soooooo that leaves education and informing; continuing to talk and write about what is happening, and how we got to where we are now is critical. And pointing out whenever I notice hypnotic language patterns, or techniques that are manipulative; no matter who is doing it. I am always looking for ways to communicate more effectively, so a lot of the work is focused inward. When there is an opportunity that already carries certain expectations, I take it; for instance, I officiated a wedding ceremony recently, and as I was creating the ceremony for the couple, I wove suggestions into it for them to remember their love for each other and let that guide them to listen to each other, and to be patient and kind, to always work on honesty and communication....and also I included suggestions for everyone listening to the ceremony to remember all the joy and the celebration of the day; I used technique to anchor in and to amplify the positive intentions that were already built into the event. I asked the couple if they wanted me to do this ahead of time, because again; sovereignty and consent. I was later told by many that it was one of the most impactful ceremonies they had ever witnessed, and two couples asked me to officiate at THEIR future weddings. :) Of course when people seek help; I always give it.....and I also give clients who come to me some practical, concrete tools that they can take away and continue to work on their own. I teach them basic somatic practices that they can do, and recommend other practices that are empowering and do not make them dependent upon someone else. Recently, I have also been focusing on teaching other healers how to develop their own hypnosis/nlp expertise and skills, so that the results for their clients in their different practices become amplified. Bringing in these techniques to other types of healing practices, both alternative and more traditional, can have a major impact for people -- and their clients are usually open, because they are aware of having problems, so they are already actively seeking out healing. And always, asking the Divine for guidance, assistance and protection is crucial, so any opportunity to focus on prayer; alone and in groups will have a big impact over time.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

You are doing great work!

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Dr Kay's avatar

Thanks, I am always trying, never stopping, always looking for new ways to get through the illusions.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Separate question: Have you tried NLP on yourself?

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Dr Kay's avatar

You know what? I haven't....but I definitely SHOULD. Before covid, I was always meditating; I had some really wonderful cds that I used. Then, I moved into a little camper, put my big cd player into storage, and because work went fully remote for almost eighteen months from that point, I ended up getting stuck in meetings pretty late almost every day, so I was just too burnt and exhausted to do anything except fall asleep. I fell completely out of the habit. I should not have let that happen. I should have forced myself to stay on track, but I didn't. I didn't ever feel like I could trust any of the meditations on youtube..... and now it's much harder for me to easily get into a meditative state listening to anyone else's guided visualizations.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

I was thinking recently that a possible solution is to do it while asleep. Record what you want to say to yourself, put it on a loop and play it quietly while asleep. Loud enough to understand the words, but sufficiently quiet so as to not keep you awake. What do you think?

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Dr Kay's avatar

Yes, that would definitely be a good idea. And anyone can do this; just think about it......the most trustworthy of all is yourself! It can do nothing to hurt, and potentially a lot to help! People don't need to be hypnotists or even really meditators; they can sit and write out affirmations that focus on what is important for them, and then record themselves reading them, then play the track back as they are falling asleep, as you say.

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MakerOfNoise's avatar

Subscribed.

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jesse porter's avatar

A huge subject! Right now I lean toward the belief that certainty is not for us to have. Regardless if the stories of Adam and Eve are historical or allegorical, I have to believe there is truth in them. I'm still puzzled about why the forbidden fruit was put in the garden, but I am pretty sure that it was not God's plan for us to know absolutes, and I cannot imagine two more absolutes than good and evil. Perhaps the tree was an illustration for us that only the Creator can know the absolutes, and the fruit couldn't impart absolute knowledge but was to illustrate that created beings have limits. Lucifer preceded us in desiring what he couldn't have, but, knowing that Adam and Eve were created in the image of God, maybe he thought that it was not impossible for them as it had been for himself.

And, maybe he doesn't realize it is impossible for either him or mankind the know absolutes like God knows. And, maybe he discover about himself that he knows evil but not good from his rebellion from God But, both he and mankind know in general that both absolute good and evil exist, but none of us has the qualities needed to pronounce judgement on anyone else. After all, God did reveal that only he can judge. Before mankind disobeyed God, it in reasonable to think that neither death or judgement were locked into man's inevitable destiny, and, since Lucifer had already fallen, it was already locked into his destiny. We have no way to know whether the remaining two-thirds of "good" angels can be lured into disbelief, maybe it was only mankind that Lucifer, now Satan, had available to him to recruit into his army. For it seems that he still thinks he has a chance to win his revolution against God. I can't imagine how he could think that. There was that one incident when Jesus cast out the demons from the Gadarene man, wherein the demons indicated that they were aware of their inevitable destiny. "Have you come for us before our time?" they asked, then asked instead to be put into the herd of pigs instead.

And, maybe I'm speculating about something that I am not to know. After all, Jesus' response to the disciples when they asked (again) about the end times, "It is not for you to know." The one thing that it was for us to know is that is appointed for us once to die, and after this, the judgement.

Getting back to your point in the post, how should we consider mankind? It seems to me that the Biblical view of mankind is that we are individually sinful and, therefore, are as a race, we are sinful. While Jesus, apparently, did not say that we remain sinful until we join him in paradise, we apparently are. For Peter and the rest of the disciples lost their faith when Jesus died, that represented some sinfulness. Peter outright denied even knowing him, and Thomas declared his disbelief even later when the women reported his resurrection. The two disciples on the road home from Jerusalem after the crucifixion and burial, spoke to the resurrected Jesus as if he were still dead. And then there was the incident in Jerusalem after the had seen and eaten and been taught by him and after having been baptized by the Holy Spirit, when Peter and James taught the new converts that they had to be circumcised and follow the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament. They came very close to the first of many schisms in the church over that. And who cannot see that we all still sin regularly as Christians. So, individually and as a group, we can hardly have confidence in ourselves nor in each other.

Yes, some can be viewed positively. Although no group can be. And no individual has been able to see himself as perfect, or even as good. But, apparently, we are to consider each other is though they were righteous, because that is how God sees us. We're certainly not to judge each other.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

If we are created in the image of God, then we should be protected and not abused. And we should also behave a whole lot better than we do. Work in progress!

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jesse porter's avatar

Nice summary!

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TurquoiseThyme's avatar

One of the basic axioms of conservative thought. ‘All Men are fallen.’

The equivalent axiom on the left is, ‘Men are born without sin and are all goodness and light, and external forces make them evil.’

People are surprisingly logical based on their core axioms.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Yeah, that is generally how the ideologies shake out.

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