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John Ketchum's avatar

I disagree that libertarianism is necessarily on the right. Most 19th century libertarians were anarcho-collectivists. Presumably you'd call them leftists. On my graph individualist libertarianism is at or near the bottom right directly opposite authoritarian collectivism. I'll answer questions about this elsewhere.

Christopher Cook's avatar

My argument in the book is not entirely dissimilar.

SimonJJ's avatar

I like the chapter titles, I'm excited about the first release.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I am glad to hear that. It's a long book, but it definitely goes somewhere :-)

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

You get my support for this affirmation. It shall be written. 💯🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💯

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Wicked!

By the way Chris. What might be your perspective on what Mr. Davidson describes America's Foundation based upon a satanic death cult? Respectfully.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I do not know if it was or it wasn't. But either way, it needs to end!

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Chris, here's a few good Anarchists to research. We're in Venus Florida USA 💯🇺🇸 :

https://www.thevenusproject.com/update-on-roxanne-meadows-talk-at-the-un/

Christopher Cook's avatar

The part of what I saw on the Venus Project website that matters the most to me:

"Opt-in – each person chooses whether they want to live and participate in this society, and can leave at any point in time."

I am all about consent.

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Great, I don't do chit like that either, if people want to do something, they will or won't. Although order is something to be cherished.

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Well, we're building quite the case for that prospect, how it will proceed is the question. I'm for going at it from a intellectual standpoint based on alternative and contemporary solutions that have been established for half a century. You?

Christopher Cook's avatar

So, ultimately, I would love to help any individual, entity, agency, or polity become free. I would like to play a role in expanding the world of free lands and free peoples. As I say, my primary focus has been philosophical and moral. I am looking for the kinds of statements of principle, axiomatic expressions of natural law, aspirational rules, etc. to help with that.

My major work on that front is my constitution, linked below. But I also periodically explore the subject, e.g. https://christophercook.substack.com/p/five-rules-govern-any-society, https://christophercook.substack.com/p/one-rule-rule-them-all, etc.

I believe there is a way to come up with simple guides, consonant with natural law, that will create harmony and maximize peace. That is what I have been working on.

I am branching out into an exciting new project soon, as well.

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Natural law is Frescos favorite law!

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Surely but be careful you're not reinventing the wheel. Meaning Fresco and Meadows have basically done this for you and us all. Infact, you would get along quite well!

Christopher Cook's avatar

I begin from a philosophical place. I believe that involuntary governance is morally impermissible. People ought to be able to choose how they live, and…well, perhaps my view is best summed up by Article II, Section 2 of the constitution I created: https://christophercook.substack.com/p/human-constitution:

FRAMEWORK RIGHTS

Derived from the RIGHTS and precepts heretofore identified, and resting on the essential pillars of PEACE, CONSENT, SELF-OWNERSHIP, and SELF-GOVERNANCE, this FRAMEWORK recognizes and necessitates the following set of RIGHTS.

Notwithstanding any impediments to the full realization and enjoyment of these RIGHTS,

EACH and every human PERSON has, and must be allowed to enjoy,

I. THE RIGHT TO ESTABLISH

To create, own, and maintain—in any unowned or privately owned physical or virtual space—any consensual system of social or political organization (POLITY); to administer said POLITY according to any chosen set of rules or principles; and to solicit, offer, and encourage, or to reject and refuse, voluntary participation or MEMBERSHIP therein.

II. THE RIGHT TO JOIN

To choose voluntarily to become a MEMBER of a POLITY by mutual consent and agreement with the REPRESENTATIVES of such POLITY.

III. THE RIGHT TO EXIT

To discontinue any association or MEMBERSHIP with any POLITY (provided that all previous voluntary contractual obligations are satisfied); and to depart, unhindered, from the territory or control of any POLITY or GOVERNMENT.

IV. THE RIGHT TO SECEDE

To discontinue, unilaterally and without hindrance, any association with, allegiance to, or subjection by any GOVERNMENT, and to ESTABLISH, unhindered, any new POLITY on any private or unowned land; or to remove one’s property from the ambit of any POLITY, provided that previous voluntary contractual obligations are met.

V. THE RIGHT TO REMAIN

To remain unmolested on one’s own property without being subjected to any GOVERNMENT or required to join any POLITY; and to make private, voluntary arrangements for security, justice, or any other desirable SERVICES.

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Very commendable and your dedication to your philosophy is astounding. America feels you, we're frustrated at the large percent of seemingly care-less and ftw attitude most people have. Perfect for a takeover in any period of time.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I believe that in a proper condition of voluntary order (anarchy), a wide variety of circumstances would arise. I taxonomize (what I see to be) the likely possibilities here: https://christophercook.substack.com/p/what-kind-world-you-want

The Venus Project certainly sounds like one of those possibilities, and a good one!

ORION DWORKIN SI/CEBP's avatar

Again, if you are able to take a back seat, TVP would be a good fit. Although your ideas could be of importance to Roxanne.