Humans are animals who are capable of higher order thinking and modifying their environments for comfort, but animals nonetheless. Look at any number of experiments (Milgram, etc.) or experiences (Malice’s Stasi example) to see our animalistic side express itself. Imagine the power grid going down, how long before people a savagely slaughtering each other over food, water and shelter? I’d give it a week, maybe two.
Now, to bring all together while paraphrasing Charlton Heston in Soylent Green: “Governments are people!” How else would one expect people to behave given the amount of power governments have?
Your post, Christopher, reminds me of our American slogan “See something, Say something!” I see posters everywhere.
We have already set up a system of reporting here. I think of the movie, Equilibrium.
The second video said, “we need an alternative.” That’s it!! Instead of reporting to and obeying a system that is devouring humans let’s shift our focus to protecting our privacy and property so they don’t have access to us, our loved ones, and our stuff.
I keep thinking/hoping that some piece of logic will reach people. They know that consent is central to all morality, yet they accept its daily violation. If they could just wake up to that, maybe they could start separating themselves from TheSystem.
You reached me! I sense you are reaching people. I recall in the 80s thinking homeschooling would change everything.
What’s different today is that things are shifting quickly so we need to be ready for our brighter future. Honestly I think most are stuck in the past or meditating on the present while neglecting what we want to create.
I’m assuming you are living the life you are imagining. And if so, you impact those around you even if you don’t hear about it.
" I recall in the 80s thinking homeschooling would change everything."
—I think it is changing a lot. In 1970, there were just a couple thousand homeschooled kids. Now it's at 5 million and climbing. The process is underway.
"Honestly I think most are stuck in the past or meditating on the present while neglecting what we want to create."
—Yea, that's what I am trying to move past. We need solutions and action rather than moping and bitching.
I agree but I don't think the answer is more logic. I think the answer is kindness and a shared standard of etiquette. I realize how "Emily Post" that sounds, but disrespect starts small and our country's bullish behavior around the world is only a larger reflection of its citizens' bullish behavior at home. It's rudeness writ large. I'm not trying to promote my Substack on your back here, I just think you'd appreciate this related post (and I don't know how else to send it!) :-)
Thanks for raising this point. I hope you feel better soon!
This is why healing our trauma is so important - so that we can become a cohesive, balanced, centered human being that isn't in reaction all the time because we don't understand our own psyche.
Great Exposure Christopher! I think often that the Cyborgs, Robots etc. do run the world on the Management level (Not the top Controller Level) as they are usually order followers with No Consciousness. Just look at the State and Provincial Medical Directors and most Doctors during Covid. They don't want intelligent, conscious, empathetic humans in those positions. As you exposed so many people cowardly and maliciously turned in neighbors, friends and relatives to the Stasi. We can do much better.
Evolve to what? Beings of pure light/energy/thought, like that TNG episode? I'm not worried about AI as much as I am about other greedy humans that are in positions to affect my life in a negative way.
"I'm not worried about AI as much as I am about other greedy humans that are in positions to affect my life in a negative way."
—I agree.
"Evolve to what? Beings of pure light/energy/thought, like that TNG episode?"
—I know which episode you're talking about :-). But no. I think evolution looks like us realizing that we are not slaves in need of masters. And that no one may have special rights to do what is clearly immoral, and what is morally forbidden to the rest of us. Those two realizations take us to the next phase. (1.0 = monarchy; 2.0 = democracy; 3.0 = self-governance/anarchism/voluntarism/consentism/chosen governance/etc.
A party or a group left to do atrocities unchecked, as we have witnessed throughout history, can end with mass murder just like in South Africa presently. With no consequences and many times financial benefit people can be ruthless. I have to say this is why justice and sentencing is so deathly important.
If we think about a man like George Soros who turned in fellow Jews as a boy and benefitted financially from it we can understand why he destroys societies for his own personal gain, to hell with those who are killed or suffer. The ends justify the means, the ends being financial gain.
Here in America we have a group that has been forming for decades that uses terrorism to strike fear into the public to hold onto their power and their source of wealth. Slowly they have been eliminating anyone that shows decent to their goals and over time they have gotten away with death, destroying businesses, families and property. The latest business this party is going after is Tesla. Once held in esteem, the minute Musk showed dessent from the party it was all out war. Remember when there are never consequences the terrorist group will always escalate.
Getting back to one of the financial backers of this terrorist group, George Soros. It has come out that Soros sent out emails looking to pay previous provokers 50 dollars per hour for 4 hours of demonstrating at Tesla dealerships and if you prove yourself to be a good agitator he will pay 1000 for 4 hours to “protest”. Well as we have seen this has turned into domestic terrorism against a business, and don’t forget about the threats to Elon’s life. I’ve been waiting for what feels like forever for Pam Bondi, Kash Patel and recently Dan Bongino to start doling out justice to these and other law breakers and terrorists. I’ve been questioning are we ever going to see justice? I’m hoping I just have a case of Jeff Sessions and Bill Barre Syndrome (JSBBS). It’s hard to be patient with all we have been through. Also hoping for some swift justice to finally come to America and hopefully once and for all get rid of this evil filthy unapologetic Pig George the society destroyer Soros. J.Goodrich
The argument is that the time it takes to set up the prosecution is important. To rush headlong into arrests would be calamitous. I’m not sure how true this is, but it does make sense. I think if we could get just one out front and center maybe we would feel more confident.
It's just that we all felt burned from his first term, where there was no drain-the-swamp. We kept hearing, "Just hold on…any minute now…they're playing 4D chess…" right up to the end. So now it's harder to trust.
Nefarious actors in US Givernment are not US. They operate on their own agenda which is contrary to ours. Machines must be taught, Who The Enemies are...
I agree that the nefarious actors are not us. But we do not respond properly to them, and this is a species-wide problem, not an American one.
We do their bidding. We bend the knee. We collaborate and cooperate. We work as their enforcers and operatives. We make excuses for why we cannot do without them. We become enablers and parties to their schemes.
Oh goodness. I don't think it is anywhere close to that.
First, not everyone actually wants to be free. A huge swath of humanity (a majority, I fear, but certainly a plurality) prefer safety to freedom. The world's reaction to covid is a good example.
Then, we also have the tragic fact that a lot of people will do just about anything that an authority tells them. (See covid, Milgram, Desmet, et al.)
Then, there's the conformity and social proof—individuals will do whatever the group is doing. (Asch, e.g.)
Think about the figures of the American Revolution. 30(ish) percent each of Tories, Whigs, and the ambivalent/uninterested. The people who were actively involved in revolution were about three percent. And that was at the philosophical and social high-water mark of classical liberalism. We are much worse off, philosophically, today.
I am thinking that we probably have the same 30-ish percent of freedom lovers. But the percent who would support radical action remains pretty small.
I am not black-pilled on this, nor am I trying to black-pill you. I just want to be realistic. I think a modern American revolution, including making things punishable by death again, is unlikely to occur. And waiting for it keeps us distracted from getting other things accomplished. I prefer separation/exit-and-build. I think that over a given time frame, those are more likely to produce sustainable results.
That said, if you feel otherwise, I certainly respect that. Neither of us can know for sure what is going to happen.
I believe many who participated in jabs, watched their l9ved ones get ill and die became B RED pilled. The problem is now many fear early illness and death now and understand that they screwed up by getting C19 jabs that are designed to hurt and kill.
10-4 on the followers, wholly compliant angle. Somehow I do not believe that 80% of Americans took the mRNA Bioweapons. I believe that is an MSM talking point to get others on board. I think is there are 600,000,000 guns in The USA that 30% of US rare ready to use them to guarantee our Freedom remains in tact. That should be more than enough, just keep pushing our buttons, we will act. We are ALL tired of thieving jackasses who think they are untouchable. I for one am ready to collect bounties. The question remains, Who will offer Bounties for Covid Tyrants???
Neither of these videos is tolerable. Jordan Peterson, while appearing awake, is crushingly boring in talking about it, and I always (post-adolescence) find science fiction long winded and harping. No sane person would voluntarily submit to to Marxist-Communist rule. Yes, (primarily) intelligent people embrace Marxist-Leninist theorizing with religious fervor, but in actual practice it is unbearable and must be applied brutally heavy hands.
As you can probably tell, I do value reasons and rationality very highly—especially when they lead to morally correct conclusions. But I also value emotion (otherwise I wouldn't care about spiders' feelings, etc. :-).
Here, I think, is my bottom-line question on this topic: can we evolve? Can we break out of the cycle of terrible ideas and mass-scale oppression that we continually subject ourselves to, generation after generation. I agree we are human, unique, fallible, imperfect, etc. But does that mean we are forever doomed to repeat the same cycle forever?
Perhaps our only hope is to focus on doing it individually and in small groups. Set an example. Light signal fires across the land and people can join if they wish.
Humans are animals who are capable of higher order thinking and modifying their environments for comfort, but animals nonetheless. Look at any number of experiments (Milgram, etc.) or experiences (Malice’s Stasi example) to see our animalistic side express itself. Imagine the power grid going down, how long before people a savagely slaughtering each other over food, water and shelter? I’d give it a week, maybe two.
Now, to bring all together while paraphrasing Charlton Heston in Soylent Green: “Governments are people!” How else would one expect people to behave given the amount of power governments have?
Sharing this excellent comment to Notes.
Yes, we are civilized in civilization and barbaric in exigent circumstances. Lots of perverse incentives at work.
Your post, Christopher, reminds me of our American slogan “See something, Say something!” I see posters everywhere.
We have already set up a system of reporting here. I think of the movie, Equilibrium.
The second video said, “we need an alternative.” That’s it!! Instead of reporting to and obeying a system that is devouring humans let’s shift our focus to protecting our privacy and property so they don’t have access to us, our loved ones, and our stuff.
I keep thinking/hoping that some piece of logic will reach people. They know that consent is central to all morality, yet they accept its daily violation. If they could just wake up to that, maybe they could start separating themselves from TheSystem.
Also logic isn’t everything anymore. It’s one side of the coin. Our love and care for fellow humans is just as necessary.
You reached me! I sense you are reaching people. I recall in the 80s thinking homeschooling would change everything.
What’s different today is that things are shifting quickly so we need to be ready for our brighter future. Honestly I think most are stuck in the past or meditating on the present while neglecting what we want to create.
I’m assuming you are living the life you are imagining. And if so, you impact those around you even if you don’t hear about it.
That’s my experience anyway!!
" I recall in the 80s thinking homeschooling would change everything."
—I think it is changing a lot. In 1970, there were just a couple thousand homeschooled kids. Now it's at 5 million and climbing. The process is underway.
"Honestly I think most are stuck in the past or meditating on the present while neglecting what we want to create."
—Yea, that's what I am trying to move past. We need solutions and action rather than moping and bitching.
Definitely 💯
I agree but I don't think the answer is more logic. I think the answer is kindness and a shared standard of etiquette. I realize how "Emily Post" that sounds, but disrespect starts small and our country's bullish behavior around the world is only a larger reflection of its citizens' bullish behavior at home. It's rudeness writ large. I'm not trying to promote my Substack on your back here, I just think you'd appreciate this related post (and I don't know how else to send it!) :-)
Thanks for raising this point. I hope you feel better soon!
https://open.substack.com/pub/loveoffgrid/p/our-government-doesnt-represent-we?r=1v6i6m&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
On the logic aspect, I may be a bit biased, as I truly feel there is a logical answer (one that can then properly inform our emotions).
That being said, I entirely agree on the rest. Please see my restack of your linked article.
This is why healing our trauma is so important - so that we can become a cohesive, balanced, centered human being that isn't in reaction all the time because we don't understand our own psyche.
That sure would help!
But is the problem always trauma? Is it not possible that we have issues that would exist even without trauma?
I suppose there are people who are born to be assholes.
But I would like to think not lol
All my machines obey me or I unplug them. Or de-battery them as the case may be.
"All my machines obey me"
—For now……
Great Exposure Christopher! I think often that the Cyborgs, Robots etc. do run the world on the Management level (Not the top Controller Level) as they are usually order followers with No Consciousness. Just look at the State and Provincial Medical Directors and most Doctors during Covid. They don't want intelligent, conscious, empathetic humans in those positions. As you exposed so many people cowardly and maliciously turned in neighbors, friends and relatives to the Stasi. We can do much better.
Maybe a lot of us really are just rather robotic……
AGI is already online sadly. 2025 is the year of “testing”.
Time to buy a farm.
Not THE farm, but a farm :-)
Evolve to what? Beings of pure light/energy/thought, like that TNG episode? I'm not worried about AI as much as I am about other greedy humans that are in positions to affect my life in a negative way.
"I'm not worried about AI as much as I am about other greedy humans that are in positions to affect my life in a negative way."
—I agree.
"Evolve to what? Beings of pure light/energy/thought, like that TNG episode?"
—I know which episode you're talking about :-). But no. I think evolution looks like us realizing that we are not slaves in need of masters. And that no one may have special rights to do what is clearly immoral, and what is morally forbidden to the rest of us. Those two realizations take us to the next phase. (1.0 = monarchy; 2.0 = democracy; 3.0 = self-governance/anarchism/voluntarism/consentism/chosen governance/etc.
Humbly, what if We taught ai Ethics? I wrote a short story about just that... I might publish it here, but for now it's in My humble little forum:
Endia (short story): https://tapyoureit.boards.net/thread/260/endia
Hope You get better fast, Christopher!
Thanks :-)
Good story! Maybe it will come true—maybe instead of going after us, AI will go after the psychopaths!
Humble thanks for reading! I do hope ai gets the awareness that Ethics are primary!
A party or a group left to do atrocities unchecked, as we have witnessed throughout history, can end with mass murder just like in South Africa presently. With no consequences and many times financial benefit people can be ruthless. I have to say this is why justice and sentencing is so deathly important.
If we think about a man like George Soros who turned in fellow Jews as a boy and benefitted financially from it we can understand why he destroys societies for his own personal gain, to hell with those who are killed or suffer. The ends justify the means, the ends being financial gain.
Here in America we have a group that has been forming for decades that uses terrorism to strike fear into the public to hold onto their power and their source of wealth. Slowly they have been eliminating anyone that shows decent to their goals and over time they have gotten away with death, destroying businesses, families and property. The latest business this party is going after is Tesla. Once held in esteem, the minute Musk showed dessent from the party it was all out war. Remember when there are never consequences the terrorist group will always escalate.
Getting back to one of the financial backers of this terrorist group, George Soros. It has come out that Soros sent out emails looking to pay previous provokers 50 dollars per hour for 4 hours of demonstrating at Tesla dealerships and if you prove yourself to be a good agitator he will pay 1000 for 4 hours to “protest”. Well as we have seen this has turned into domestic terrorism against a business, and don’t forget about the threats to Elon’s life. I’ve been waiting for what feels like forever for Pam Bondi, Kash Patel and recently Dan Bongino to start doling out justice to these and other law breakers and terrorists. I’ve been questioning are we ever going to see justice? I’m hoping I just have a case of Jeff Sessions and Bill Barre Syndrome (JSBBS). It’s hard to be patient with all we have been through. Also hoping for some swift justice to finally come to America and hopefully once and for all get rid of this evil filthy unapologetic Pig George the society destroyer Soros. J.Goodrich
"are we ever going to see justice?"
—I am wondering the same!!!
The argument is that the time it takes to set up the prosecution is important. To rush headlong into arrests would be calamitous. I’m not sure how true this is, but it does make sense. I think if we could get just one out front and center maybe we would feel more confident.
It entirely makes sense.
It's just that we all felt burned from his first term, where there was no drain-the-swamp. We kept hearing, "Just hold on…any minute now…they're playing 4D chess…" right up to the end. So now it's harder to trust.
Feel better soon!
Thank you. Working on it!
Nefarious actors in US Givernment are not US. They operate on their own agenda which is contrary to ours. Machines must be taught, Who The Enemies are...
I agree that the nefarious actors are not us. But we do not respond properly to them, and this is a species-wide problem, not an American one.
We do their bidding. We bend the knee. We collaborate and cooperate. We work as their enforcers and operatives. We make excuses for why we cannot do without them. We become enablers and parties to their schemes.
#DefundTyranny #DepopulateTheDepopulators #MakeTreasonPunishableByDeathAgain #FreedomIsNotFree
What percentage of the American population do you think agrees with those sentiments, though?
$60%. The other 40% are far too ignorant.
Oh goodness. I don't think it is anywhere close to that.
First, not everyone actually wants to be free. A huge swath of humanity (a majority, I fear, but certainly a plurality) prefer safety to freedom. The world's reaction to covid is a good example.
Then, we also have the tragic fact that a lot of people will do just about anything that an authority tells them. (See covid, Milgram, Desmet, et al.)
Then, there's the conformity and social proof—individuals will do whatever the group is doing. (Asch, e.g.)
Think about the figures of the American Revolution. 30(ish) percent each of Tories, Whigs, and the ambivalent/uninterested. The people who were actively involved in revolution were about three percent. And that was at the philosophical and social high-water mark of classical liberalism. We are much worse off, philosophically, today.
I am thinking that we probably have the same 30-ish percent of freedom lovers. But the percent who would support radical action remains pretty small.
I am not black-pilled on this, nor am I trying to black-pill you. I just want to be realistic. I think a modern American revolution, including making things punishable by death again, is unlikely to occur. And waiting for it keeps us distracted from getting other things accomplished. I prefer separation/exit-and-build. I think that over a given time frame, those are more likely to produce sustainable results.
That said, if you feel otherwise, I certainly respect that. Neither of us can know for sure what is going to happen.
I believe many who participated in jabs, watched their l9ved ones get ill and die became B RED pilled. The problem is now many fear early illness and death now and understand that they screwed up by getting C19 jabs that are designed to hurt and kill.
10-4 on the followers, wholly compliant angle. Somehow I do not believe that 80% of Americans took the mRNA Bioweapons. I believe that is an MSM talking point to get others on board. I think is there are 600,000,000 guns in The USA that 30% of US rare ready to use them to guarantee our Freedom remains in tact. That should be more than enough, just keep pushing our buttons, we will act. We are ALL tired of thieving jackasses who think they are untouchable. I for one am ready to collect bounties. The question remains, Who will offer Bounties for Covid Tyrants???
Neither of these videos is tolerable. Jordan Peterson, while appearing awake, is crushingly boring in talking about it, and I always (post-adolescence) find science fiction long winded and harping. No sane person would voluntarily submit to to Marxist-Communist rule. Yes, (primarily) intelligent people embrace Marxist-Leninist theorizing with religious fervor, but in actual practice it is unbearable and must be applied brutally heavy hands.
Yeah, but by the time Marxist intellectuals figure out what they have wrought, it is always too late…for them and the rest of us.
As you can probably tell, I do value reasons and rationality very highly—especially when they lead to morally correct conclusions. But I also value emotion (otherwise I wouldn't care about spiders' feelings, etc. :-).
Here, I think, is my bottom-line question on this topic: can we evolve? Can we break out of the cycle of terrible ideas and mass-scale oppression that we continually subject ourselves to, generation after generation. I agree we are human, unique, fallible, imperfect, etc. But does that mean we are forever doomed to repeat the same cycle forever?
Perhaps our only hope is to focus on doing it individually and in small groups. Set an example. Light signal fires across the land and people can join if they wish.
Yes—though belief in God has waned of late.