The question "are you willing to commit that violence yourself?" is a great way to frame it. Never heard it put that way before. I imagine the majority of people would absolutely not be willing to commit that violence, yet they remain completely unaware that they are complicit in the violence that they condone by supporting the system unquestioningly.
I would stop no one from wanting to leave this tyrannical country. I’m sure many of you have seen the reports of massive voters registeristrations in Texas, Arizona and Pennsylvania. The Democrats are gearing up to steal another election right in front of our faces, and they don’t give a shit about breaking any contract with the citizen about free and fair election nonsense. The show must go on. In Maoist China they killed off the producers that the country had before their revolution. When they figured out their mistake, it was too late people were starving to death. So our killer tyrants want to use fascism to allow the big elite billionaire business owners the ability to keep running so the tyrants can use them, suck off them, and control them to hold down the public. This will sustain the government leeches to suck blood from all. This government left and right will not allow secession. If you stop producing for them they will eliminate you. We see this in history, if you don’t go along with them you will be stood up along a ditch with your back towards the rifle and shot in the back of your head.
The leech, the horrible ugly creature. They attach themselves to a passer by and then feed on the hosts blood. Their whole purpose in life is to take more and more so they can produce more and more of their own. The leech teaches us that sin takes all it can from human life and gives nothing in return. J.Goodrich
We have to make it correct. And some of that is just by getting people to put down the black pill. Hopelessness divides us into isolated pits of despair. But if everyone feels hope, the movement inevitably wins.
A black-pill vibe—doom, pessimism, hopelessness—is easy to fall into these days, because things really are pretty messed up. But at any one moment in history, there are reasons to despair and reasons to hope. All is not lost.
I argue that we ought to focus on the hope.
But this is not just a bland palliative. Hope is how movements are built. (Eric Hoffer is great on this subject.) People do not coalesce around misery. They coalesce around joy and happiness and the promise of something better. So if that is what we focus on, then
A) we attract a movement,
B) we focus attention on the REASONS for hope, on what we CAN do rather than what we cannot, and there is a lot that we can do, and
Left the SFO airport and they had a scanner that took a picture of me to 'match' it to my driver's license picture because apparently the TSA agent couldn't do it himself. This is beyond creepy. There was a sign that said the images were deleted once the match was made, but I don't believe it. It reminded me of my travels in Europe not too long ago. I remember being checked as I was leaving the country. What kind of system monitors those who leave? A totalitarian one.
Great article. People will consent to reprehensible things so long as there is an authority figure to take the blame (reminds me of the infamous Milgram experiment). The true test of morality is what someone will take personal responsibility for.
Thanks. Yeah, it is tempting to ask people directly to their faces:
"If you think it's such a cool thing that I be turned by force into the means to another's ends, or forced to do something against my will, why don't you come over here and make it happen?"
Aha—excellent question! Property rights and contract are the answer. And what I call "framework" rights (see below).
If you owned property there before the rest expressed a desire for secession, then morally, they cannot require you to join their polity. There are some complications with having one piece of the island not a part of the polity, but I think that must be the starting-point moral answer nonetheless.
If you request to buy property there after secession, then you may accept that that property is part of the polity.
But, as I note in the footnotes, all people should have the rights enumerated below. So they do have to be able to leave, with their rightly owned land property, if they wish. If a seller isn't cool with that notion, then they ought not sell. But once they do, they cannot bind another's future actions or allegiances.
I. THE RIGHT TO ESTABLISH
To create, own, and maintain—in any unowned or privately owned physical or virtual space—any consensual system of social or political organization (POLITY); to administer said POLITY according to any chosen set of rules or principles; and to solicit, offer, and encourage, or to reject and refuse, voluntary participation or MEMBERSHIP therein.
II. THE RIGHT TO JOIN
To choose voluntarily to become a MEMBER of a POLITY by mutual consent and agreement with the REPRESENTATIVES of such POLITY.
III. THE RIGHT TO EXIT
To discontinue any association or MEMBERSHIP with any POLITY (provided that all previous voluntary contractual obligations are satisfied); and to depart, unhindered, from the territory or control of any POLITY or GOVERNMENT.
IV. THE RIGHT TO SECEDE
To discontinue, unilaterally and without hindrance, any association with, allegiance to, or subjection by any GOVERNMENT, and to ESTABLISH, unhindered, any new POLITY on any private or unowned land; or to remove one’s property from the ambit of any POLITY, provided that previous voluntary contractual obligations are met.
V. THE RIGHT TO REMAIN
To remain unmolested on one’s own property without being subjected to any GOVERNMENT or required to join any POLITY; and to make private, voluntary arrangements for security, justice, or any other desirable SERVICES.
Do not underestimate the cheerleaders. There is a Trotsky in every mob of cheerleaders. He will form them into committees and they WILL get in a boat with their rifles and go to your island. Why? Because they are cheerleaders with a (in their eyes) god-like leader.
If you are asking if the state is willing to commit violence against a person leaving, then I say yes it will because all we are to them is a taxpaying slave and a vote (well maybe not so much anymore). If they are short of taxes, they will squeeze the public for more or just invent more electronic pesos from Heaven (the Fed).
Under the current regime, they want us dead in the name of population control. We have few masters that care if we live or die. Many factions support the desires and demands of the state and that includes all of its institutions and congress and most of industry. None in favor of the citizen.
If you are talking about committing violence in an attempt to leave the wretched state, then yes it may well come to that. Will it be the people finally grabbing a pitchfork and storming the capitols? Or, will it be the supremely arrogant masters overplaying their agenda and it comes crashing down and leaves the country in ruins? I think the latter is more likely. In any event, the great reset will fail.
Perhaps that is when we will have a chance to re-order the country, or at least a part of it. Then again we have democrats, republicans, libertarians, liberals, Marxists, RINOs, retardicans, conservatives and a host of other factions of political believers and this detracts from the whole. I hate to categorize myself into any group (maybe other than being a peaceful anarchist) finding it difficult to trust anything. It may take another 10-15 years before the end makes an appearance.
We don't need a NWO, but a new fork of off the OWO (old world order). How that evolves will be a chaotic process as many won't know what to do without government there to rule them. I have no desire to stop anyone from leaving the clutches of the state. At my age (74), there are fewer options but I support anyone who wants to become an un-slave.
And yeah, I think collapse may be our best hope. We just have to be ready. Not to take over the whole thing, for that's just more of the same. Rather, we just have to be ready to survive, form our own things, and then say to all —We're not going to live under your rule anymore, nor do we expect you to live under ours.
"a new fork off the old world order." I like it!
With this particular piece, I was asking individuals—specifically those who like the state or believe that it's the only way—whether they would be willing to back that up with force THEMSELVES. By their own hands.
When you started with at least the criminal doesn’t pretend.. I thought of this- What’s the difference between the mafia and the government? The mafia doesn’t have a 10,000 hour indoctrination program designed to convince you they’re not the mafia.
Nice essay. -Apologies for the cryptic nature at the end, I am sure you understand-. We have been conditioned to delegate everything, including the considerations of what we do politically including second order effects. This removes us from blame or accountability, at least in the mind of mass society. I have told people for years that at the end of every law if taken to its extent is enforced by a gun. So unless you are willing to hold the gun, you should not support the law. Naturally, this has usually been met with glazed over eyes. I am a peaceful man, but I will deploy violence personally for things that would fall under natural law. (murder, self defense, et cetera) As far as leaving... at this point I view government as any other force of nature or natural disaster such as a hurricane or tornado. It is best to prepare as you can and avoid them if possible. I have found no exit path that does not include copious amounts of violence. However, as of now I do not even have to consider "leaving" for violent options to manifest because some things are growing in a direction of certain red lines on personal levels. One can only back an animal up into a corner so far before it must make a choice. So what do we do when our hurricane shelter fails? I think it is long past time for people to have hard conversations within themselves and their communities. The problem, unlike the sons of liberty all of our taverns are either gone or compromised. This is why I consider the long fight with education to be my personal priority.
I read that piece you reference. I replied that You Do Not Wish To Go. You want to section out a piece of the US, and form your own country.
Further, I commit no violence on anyone. As an individual born in this country I may tolerate it, to a point. However when the other shoe drops I will indeed fight.
"You want to section out a piece of the US, and form your own country" presupposes that the U.S. has a real right to claim my property as its own, or to exercise any dominion over me. Does it?
We could also say,
That I wish to claim the allodial title to my land that is my right under natural law,
That I reject an authority over me that was imposed without my consent, and
That I wish to contract with chosen providers of security and justice in voluntary transactions.
I’m willing to put up a wall between my country and a neighboring pro freedom country. Cause some of my subjects don’t realize how good they have it. I may have to deploy snipers in watchtowers (kind of like a prison). I give them a loaf a bread per day, if they are willing to stand in line for 12 hours. What else could they possibly want?
Y'know, I actually stood in such a line for a couple of hours (waiting for an allotment of sugar, in this case) with the woman I was dating during my month in the USSR in 1991. I knew at the time how completely FUBAR it was, but I was so into her that the time passed quite amiably!
Absolutely deplorable situation, especially when the US gov isn't even necessarily necessary any longer. They know this. Consider why they're stealing all the latest Tech via "REGULATION/PROTECTION" The swamp has made itself Relevant by capitalized, entwined foreign relationships - "Affairs" AND fukin wars.
Minus all that now, then add DAO's riding AI neuro networks across the encrypted distributed metaverse.
Be A NODE Christopher. EVERYBODY.
Then we deal with the treasonous fools.
By THEIR OWN laws.
After that - we burn the fuking law books.
Level the Contemporary Presidential Memorialized Libraries.
We wouldn't need to harm a hair on their pointy little heads.
Great essay. There are far more people who when pushed will stand up for what is right than will put it in writing on the Internet for the Regime's Web Crawlers to scrape up in order to send men with sunglasses to "talk" with them at 5am.
Me? Gosh, I'd never dare lift a finger against my Overlords. They're so swell, I'd feel bad even saying a mean word to them. Did I mention how awesome they are and how much I revere them? I'm kind of like your basic North Korean worshiping the Kim family. Kinda like that.
But I was asking a different question. I was asking statists and normies and people who think no one is ever allowed to secede what they PERSONALLY would do to someone who tried.
The question "are you willing to commit that violence yourself?" is a great way to frame it. Never heard it put that way before. I imagine the majority of people would absolutely not be willing to commit that violence, yet they remain completely unaware that they are complicit in the violence that they condone by supporting the system unquestioningly.
I am hoping this gets some of them to think!
I would stop no one from wanting to leave this tyrannical country. I’m sure many of you have seen the reports of massive voters registeristrations in Texas, Arizona and Pennsylvania. The Democrats are gearing up to steal another election right in front of our faces, and they don’t give a shit about breaking any contract with the citizen about free and fair election nonsense. The show must go on. In Maoist China they killed off the producers that the country had before their revolution. When they figured out their mistake, it was too late people were starving to death. So our killer tyrants want to use fascism to allow the big elite billionaire business owners the ability to keep running so the tyrants can use them, suck off them, and control them to hold down the public. This will sustain the government leeches to suck blood from all. This government left and right will not allow secession. If you stop producing for them they will eliminate you. We see this in history, if you don’t go along with them you will be stood up along a ditch with your back towards the rifle and shot in the back of your head.
The leech, the horrible ugly creature. They attach themselves to a passer by and then feed on the hosts blood. Their whole purpose in life is to take more and more so they can produce more and more of their own. The leech teaches us that sin takes all it can from human life and gives nothing in return. J.Goodrich
They may find us harder to manage this time. Our numbers are growing.
Please God, make Christopher correct.
We have to make it correct. And some of that is just by getting people to put down the black pill. Hopelessness divides us into isolated pits of despair. But if everyone feels hope, the movement inevitably wins.
"Put down the black pill." Would you mind elaborating?
For those who haven’t followed the “pill” metaphor, there are some quick definitions in the second half of this article: https://christophercook.substack.com/p/red-pill-blue-pill-clear-pill-free-pill
A black-pill vibe—doom, pessimism, hopelessness—is easy to fall into these days, because things really are pretty messed up. But at any one moment in history, there are reasons to despair and reasons to hope. All is not lost.
I argue that we ought to focus on the hope.
But this is not just a bland palliative. Hope is how movements are built. (Eric Hoffer is great on this subject.) People do not coalesce around misery. They coalesce around joy and happiness and the promise of something better. So if that is what we focus on, then
A) we attract a movement,
B) we focus attention on the REASONS for hope, on what we CAN do rather than what we cannot, and there is a lot that we can do, and
C) we are a lot happier while we do it.
See what I mean, jellybean?
Please God!
The vast majority of people do not trust their own sensibilities and therefore, do not trust others.
For them, they require rules and authorities to carry out the control of everyone.
Say it loud, often and clearly.
YOU ARE YOUR OWN AUTHORITY.
We are addressing now to this idea of authority.
Those of us that know we are our own authority are taking the steps necessary to address this for ourselves. We empower others when we do so.
We don't make others' choices, but we do make our own.
Let us continue to take steps to reclaim that authority for ourselves.
Very well said.
I am just hoping that by calling to people's attention the true nature of what they are doing, it will cause some of them to think…
Left the SFO airport and they had a scanner that took a picture of me to 'match' it to my driver's license picture because apparently the TSA agent couldn't do it himself. This is beyond creepy. There was a sign that said the images were deleted once the match was made, but I don't believe it. It reminded me of my travels in Europe not too long ago. I remember being checked as I was leaving the country. What kind of system monitors those who leave? A totalitarian one.
Ugh.
Yeah, they'll delete it. Riiiiiight.
Ugh again.
Great article. People will consent to reprehensible things so long as there is an authority figure to take the blame (reminds me of the infamous Milgram experiment). The true test of morality is what someone will take personal responsibility for.
Thanks. Yeah, it is tempting to ask people directly to their faces:
"If you think it's such a cool thing that I be turned by force into the means to another's ends, or forced to do something against my will, why don't you come over here and make it happen?"
I will not step in that boat and force them to stay.
If they want to go at it on their own, good for them.
In fact, I might want to join them.
The big question is: If I build a little house on the far side of that island, will they leave me alone, or will they force me to join them?
Aha—excellent question! Property rights and contract are the answer. And what I call "framework" rights (see below).
If you owned property there before the rest expressed a desire for secession, then morally, they cannot require you to join their polity. There are some complications with having one piece of the island not a part of the polity, but I think that must be the starting-point moral answer nonetheless.
If you request to buy property there after secession, then you may accept that that property is part of the polity.
But, as I note in the footnotes, all people should have the rights enumerated below. So they do have to be able to leave, with their rightly owned land property, if they wish. If a seller isn't cool with that notion, then they ought not sell. But once they do, they cannot bind another's future actions or allegiances.
I. THE RIGHT TO ESTABLISH
To create, own, and maintain—in any unowned or privately owned physical or virtual space—any consensual system of social or political organization (POLITY); to administer said POLITY according to any chosen set of rules or principles; and to solicit, offer, and encourage, or to reject and refuse, voluntary participation or MEMBERSHIP therein.
II. THE RIGHT TO JOIN
To choose voluntarily to become a MEMBER of a POLITY by mutual consent and agreement with the REPRESENTATIVES of such POLITY.
III. THE RIGHT TO EXIT
To discontinue any association or MEMBERSHIP with any POLITY (provided that all previous voluntary contractual obligations are satisfied); and to depart, unhindered, from the territory or control of any POLITY or GOVERNMENT.
IV. THE RIGHT TO SECEDE
To discontinue, unilaterally and without hindrance, any association with, allegiance to, or subjection by any GOVERNMENT, and to ESTABLISH, unhindered, any new POLITY on any private or unowned land; or to remove one’s property from the ambit of any POLITY, provided that previous voluntary contractual obligations are met.
V. THE RIGHT TO REMAIN
To remain unmolested on one’s own property without being subjected to any GOVERNMENT or required to join any POLITY; and to make private, voluntary arrangements for security, justice, or any other desirable SERVICES.
Do not underestimate the cheerleaders. There is a Trotsky in every mob of cheerleaders. He will form them into committees and they WILL get in a boat with their rifles and go to your island. Why? Because they are cheerleaders with a (in their eyes) god-like leader.
Absolutely.
People think, "Ohh my gosh, the Germans were such monsters in the '30s and '40s."
I hate to break it to you there, cupcake, but they Germans were just like you in the '30s and '40s.
If you are asking if the state is willing to commit violence against a person leaving, then I say yes it will because all we are to them is a taxpaying slave and a vote (well maybe not so much anymore). If they are short of taxes, they will squeeze the public for more or just invent more electronic pesos from Heaven (the Fed).
Under the current regime, they want us dead in the name of population control. We have few masters that care if we live or die. Many factions support the desires and demands of the state and that includes all of its institutions and congress and most of industry. None in favor of the citizen.
If you are talking about committing violence in an attempt to leave the wretched state, then yes it may well come to that. Will it be the people finally grabbing a pitchfork and storming the capitols? Or, will it be the supremely arrogant masters overplaying their agenda and it comes crashing down and leaves the country in ruins? I think the latter is more likely. In any event, the great reset will fail.
Perhaps that is when we will have a chance to re-order the country, or at least a part of it. Then again we have democrats, republicans, libertarians, liberals, Marxists, RINOs, retardicans, conservatives and a host of other factions of political believers and this detracts from the whole. I hate to categorize myself into any group (maybe other than being a peaceful anarchist) finding it difficult to trust anything. It may take another 10-15 years before the end makes an appearance.
We don't need a NWO, but a new fork of off the OWO (old world order). How that evolves will be a chaotic process as many won't know what to do without government there to rule them. I have no desire to stop anyone from leaving the clutches of the state. At my age (74), there are fewer options but I support anyone who wants to become an un-slave.
Agreed on all of that.
And yeah, I think collapse may be our best hope. We just have to be ready. Not to take over the whole thing, for that's just more of the same. Rather, we just have to be ready to survive, form our own things, and then say to all —We're not going to live under your rule anymore, nor do we expect you to live under ours.
"a new fork off the old world order." I like it!
With this particular piece, I was asking individuals—specifically those who like the state or believe that it's the only way—whether they would be willing to back that up with force THEMSELVES. By their own hands.
When you started with at least the criminal doesn’t pretend.. I thought of this- What’s the difference between the mafia and the government? The mafia doesn’t have a 10,000 hour indoctrination program designed to convince you they’re not the mafia.
Sounds like the making of a meme…
Again, a great post that makes me think and helps create a new version of potential realities I can see. Thank you Christopher.
Thank you, Terra. Maybe getting people to take a cold hard look at what we're doing to each other will inspire some change.
Right now, people commit this by-proxy violence and think of themselves as being GOOD and noble for doing so!
A major paradigmatic shift is required.
Nice essay. -Apologies for the cryptic nature at the end, I am sure you understand-. We have been conditioned to delegate everything, including the considerations of what we do politically including second order effects. This removes us from blame or accountability, at least in the mind of mass society. I have told people for years that at the end of every law if taken to its extent is enforced by a gun. So unless you are willing to hold the gun, you should not support the law. Naturally, this has usually been met with glazed over eyes. I am a peaceful man, but I will deploy violence personally for things that would fall under natural law. (murder, self defense, et cetera) As far as leaving... at this point I view government as any other force of nature or natural disaster such as a hurricane or tornado. It is best to prepare as you can and avoid them if possible. I have found no exit path that does not include copious amounts of violence. However, as of now I do not even have to consider "leaving" for violent options to manifest because some things are growing in a direction of certain red lines on personal levels. One can only back an animal up into a corner so far before it must make a choice. So what do we do when our hurricane shelter fails? I think it is long past time for people to have hard conversations within themselves and their communities. The problem, unlike the sons of liberty all of our taverns are either gone or compromised. This is why I consider the long fight with education to be my personal priority.
"Apologies for the cryptic nature at the end, I am sure you understand"
—Yup.
"Naturally, this has usually been met with glazed over eyes."
—Naturally. It's amazing how easily people can shut their eyes to basic reality.
" I have found no exit path that does not include copious amounts of violence."
—I am working on one now. It will be my next book, and I will start releasing installments soon!
Vaclav Havel is some interesting Man, thanks for the comment.
He was very brave and strong!
I read that piece you reference. I replied that You Do Not Wish To Go. You want to section out a piece of the US, and form your own country.
Further, I commit no violence on anyone. As an individual born in this country I may tolerate it, to a point. However when the other shoe drops I will indeed fight.
Phrasing matters.
"You want to section out a piece of the US, and form your own country" presupposes that the U.S. has a real right to claim my property as its own, or to exercise any dominion over me. Does it?
We could also say,
That I wish to claim the allodial title to my land that is my right under natural law,
That I reject an authority over me that was imposed without my consent, and
That I wish to contract with chosen providers of security and justice in voluntary transactions.
So are you saying you would fight ME?
I’m willing to put up a wall between my country and a neighboring pro freedom country. Cause some of my subjects don’t realize how good they have it. I may have to deploy snipers in watchtowers (kind of like a prison). I give them a loaf a bread per day, if they are willing to stand in line for 12 hours. What else could they possibly want?
Y'know, I actually stood in such a line for a couple of hours (waiting for an allotment of sugar, in this case) with the woman I was dating during my month in the USSR in 1991. I knew at the time how completely FUBAR it was, but I was so into her that the time passed quite amiably!
Absolutely deplorable situation, especially when the US gov isn't even necessarily necessary any longer. They know this. Consider why they're stealing all the latest Tech via "REGULATION/PROTECTION" The swamp has made itself Relevant by capitalized, entwined foreign relationships - "Affairs" AND fukin wars.
Minus all that now, then add DAO's riding AI neuro networks across the encrypted distributed metaverse.
Be A NODE Christopher. EVERYBODY.
Then we deal with the treasonous fools.
By THEIR OWN laws.
After that - we burn the fuking law books.
Level the Contemporary Presidential Memorialized Libraries.
We wouldn't need to harm a hair on their pointy little heads.
Problem Solved.
Great One, Brother.
ORION
LFG, bro!
Hey, if they would just let us go, I would be willing to extend amnesty for their crimes of the last 7,000 years.
👊
Great essay. There are far more people who when pushed will stand up for what is right than will put it in writing on the Internet for the Regime's Web Crawlers to scrape up in order to send men with sunglasses to "talk" with them at 5am.
Me? Gosh, I'd never dare lift a finger against my Overlords. They're so swell, I'd feel bad even saying a mean word to them. Did I mention how awesome they are and how much I revere them? I'm kind of like your basic North Korean worshiping the Kim family. Kinda like that.
Yes to all that. LOL
But I was asking a different question. I was asking statists and normies and people who think no one is ever allowed to secede what they PERSONALLY would do to someone who tried.