You are so right. The time has come for exit and build, in the many forms that can take. Whether it is the free cities movement, the network state movement, or any other movement seeking the true "consent of the governed," the time has come for action, not just theory.
I met Max at FreedomFest ‘23 and did his Constitution of Consent contest (which was a pivotal experience/exercise for me). I love his term underthrow. I hope it becomes general parlance! He also introduced me to the word satyagraha.
And yes, all of these are important strategies. This has to be an all-fronts effort.
A very positive take. I fear the nasties in gubbamint will do all they can to deprive and destroy. Anything we build at this stage is at serious risk from their depredations. Until that variable is mitigated or refuted, building anything may be utterly futile.
But we cannot know what our actions will ultimately produce. We cannot know what we might shake loose. What processes we might set in motion, the long-term benefits of which might not reveal themselves at first. We MUST ACT!
We must try. If we sit in defeat and despair, then they have definitely beaten us.
Now that I am thinking about it, there are indeed some projects popping up everywhere (e.g., Free Cities or EcoVillages). Maybe there is some hope of more and more folks fighting for freedom. Maybe something can be achieved.
Of course something can be achieved! A hundred flowers are already blooming on the hillsides. Soon it will be a thousand. They cannot pluck us all. We will win.
Excited to get started Christopher! As strange as it may seem Qaddafi's rule by the people may hold some good ideas as well as some Native American's "policy" where often the Elders/Mothers had influence but not control.
Exit to where and build what? The Chinese own 80% of the cement operations in the world, I think. Seriously, all your points are well taken. I believe this will be the last election as I agree with Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics. What chaos will evolve over the next few months is unknowable.
I think there will be a steady drifting apart of factions as government loses a modicum of control. I think we might need to see how the US tears itself apart over the next 5-10 years. Trying to rebuild during a hurry-cane is something only the stupid government would attempt. Actually, most people I know and see are just marking time with the belief that government is still the only option.
But maybe if enough silliness is going on, one may be able to escape the asylum. I have no land or underground bunker...but maybe it will be possible to hide in plain sight.
—Right, exactly. Other than that little strip of land between Egypt and Sudan, and that unclaimed by of the Danube and the huge section of Antarctica (that for some weird reason no one claims), there is no unclaimed land. It's all states in various degrees of unfreeness. It's all states in varying degrees of thrall to globalist overlords.
So, if there is no place to escape to, then we must someone build from within the bellies of the beasts. Not an easy task! But what alternative do we have?
Sure. Of course you can use no dirt/cover at all. The intent of the cover might be for insulation or camo. Or, manybe you just don’t want to paint! Water proof, ventilation are the important features, and the further below grade, the more important drainage is. Having the backup gensets below grade added to the catastrophic result at Fukushima. Also light, especially natural light can be added using light-pipes, which can also be efficient and disguised- depending on snow cover . . . Intent>budget>solution(s)
Yeah, camo is cool, but also, the dirt has insulating properties, right? Like, if you are fully underground, you stay at 50-something degrees. I would not want to be fully underground, but berming would still give some o that benefit.
I also just started really looking at earthbag construction, but after seeing thrilling things like $12/square foot, I ran into some saying that it's not a great method for cold/wet climates. That would be a shame, because I REALLY like the idea of $12/square foot.
I wonder how close I could get to that with a metal arch + shotcrete. And how big I could go on the arch before it would needs some sort of internal support/truss system...
Two words, waterproofing, ventilation. I’m more on the electrical/mechanical side of things, but it can be done. Most recommend covering with shotcrete for structural reasons, depending on depth of cover. I live on an island. Keep up the great writing brother, we will make the future.
Glad to know you, Woody. And I am glad you’re on an island!
I think islands are going to be some of the first fully sovereign free territories. I respect efforts like Prospéra—they are paving the way! But they are still not fully free, which leaves them vulnerable to the state. (And sure enough, the socialists in charge of Honduras just voted to shut down future ZEDEs.)
But one day, some cash-strapped country is going to sell an island completely to some multi-billionaire entrepreneur, who is going to to create the first new private-law polity on that island. And then the floodgates may open…
I cannot move to an island, but I am trying to move us from the ‘burbs to a more rural piece of land. Hence my research into cheaper building methods.
With shotcrete over a steel arch building, you need rebar, right? I wonder how much that adds to the expense. And I assume that you would not need reinforcement if it’s just the shotcrete? But what about snow load. Or soil and snow? If that can be done without reinforcement, it would have to be thick gauge steel, I would imagine…
Of course, I am not wedded to arch + bermed construction. Just something inexpensive and nice that I can show my wife and say, “Look, we can do this for not too much money.”
I was just this morning looking at the feasibility of getting one of those steel arched Quonset buildings and berming it. Is there one strong enough to take soil and snow load without any reinforcement? What would reinforcement involve? Etc. I figure those buildings, on their own, and comparatively inexpensive. But a bunch of curved-wood trusses might cost enough to offset that benefit…
Hi Christopher. John Woods here (aka Woody). I don’t know what your level of trust is for you tube links. So you will have to put https:// in front of this and delete the spaces before ‘videos’ to make a link. This looks like a pretty complete walk through of what you are describing.
Still have to swim upstream against humans' ultra-social nature. Just say the word "individual" and some people react as if you are taking away their binky and sending them to an island somewhere.
I feel sure the poisoned kiwi needs to know about you and you he, Christopher. I can’t seem to tag him using the @….? He may well be a key person for us in the country of NZ.
@-tagging works in Notes, but not in comments. (Perhaps they will change that one day. In fact, I just went and did a feature request/suggestion to support. :-)
I just subbed the poisoned kiwi. Do you know him or her personally/directly?
Distributed nation or distributed anarcho-capitalism. I just read today following a Small Dead Animals; "The underground economy now comprises a third of the Canadian trucking industry, the Commons finance committee was told yesterday. Black market operators dodge billions in tax and flout labour laws, said the Canadian Trucking Alliance."
The term anarchy has been corrupted. We have been led to believe that no gov (read: evil overlords) will be chaos. It means ‘without ruler’ and it’s what we should ALL want! One of the countless gems I discovered reading Feargus O’Connor Greenwood’s book “180 degrees. Unlearn the Lies you’ve been taught to believe”
My own thinking has led me to almost the same conclusion. And until I read "The Network State" and "Plurality.net", I couldn't put any flesh nor bones together. It's crazy how difficult is put a consistent new theoretical framework and then think about how to IMPLEMENT IT!
In my specific case, I belive my country is ready for this, with almost 0%(+- 3%) of approval of the peruvian president Dina Boluarte and a host of mafias legislating in Congress. Peruvians are looking for a solution to put an end to all of this.
So far, I'm going to aim at a "Institutional Secession". I'm going to build an "Exit" through "Reform" (Voice). All it takes is a +60% Null vote and inmediately claim inside that all the people are the new congress with Veto vote in order to stop any law that they could consider against the new constitution that we will work through until the day of election using p2p technology, pol.is algorithm, cuadratic voting and AI summarization. This project of Direct Digital Democracy is aim at rebooting a country and replacing the most problematic part of the equation for good. Eliminate Congress and anyone who claims to talk for you
Sure thing! The time for the Social Singularity has come. Max Borders is a key inspiration for me. And the things you have been writting too! I wish I was much more proficient at writting but instead I have taken my energy into TikTok and memes to break concepts down and use new ways to reach more people.
I think that's how I found you on substack! I couldn't participate but I was really interested in the end result, the winner and the best works.
Yeah, memetic warfare is such a delightful experience, particularly when one hits a nerve in the public consciousness. I wish sometimes to be recognized by it by I'm keeping my digital persona as a misterious person like Satoshi. Just the idea of Underthrow borders the "subversive" label (pun non intended 🤣) and I might get persecuted by daring to attack the very idea of a sovereign Nation 🥸
"Just the idea of Underthrow borders the "subversive" label (pun non intended 🤣) and I might get persecuted by daring to attack the very idea of a sovereign Nation"
—I understand and share the concern. So far, though, no one has Arkancided Michael Malice, Max, me, Hans Hoppe, Larken Rose, etc. I have a few quick thoughts on this subject:
1. If you get known enough, it might actually make it less likely that you will be persecuted
2. If enough of us are really public about it, they cannot do anything to us. Strength in numbers.
3. If you don't name specific names, you're better off. (That was something Demi Pietchell noted in a conversation.) We are talking about generalities, and that is not as much of a threat to them. Plus, it's still fringe as far as they're concerned.
My project's name is Pachacu-Tech (TikTok and YouTube) (I have Substack but can't decide which language to write in). It's a play on words from an old myth.
In the Andean concept of time, it was believed that long periods were linked by severe events called Pachakuti. Derived from the Aymara/Quechua word Pacha (meaning space, time, world, or earth) and kuti (meaning to overturn or turn back), Pachakuti signifies the overturning of space-time; a millennial moment when one world ends and another begins; a total transformation of things.
I believe technology is the force driving this new world. Hence, the name ends with "Tech" for Technology. But there's another twist: it sounds like "Pachacutec," the ninth Inca who built Machu Picchu. He earned this name by standing up to the greatest crisis of the Inca tribe.
Their elite abandoned their city to be destroyed by the most aggressive tribe, the Chancas. Instead of fleeing, he faced them and, against all odds, won. That's how he started the Inca Empire.
Right now, Peru feels reminiscent of that situation. Dina Boluarte as president is merely a puppet of Congress, and their laws are leading to tyranny. Meanwhile, violent crime has skyrocketed due to a recent law they passed to protect themselves...
People on the street are recalling the French Revolution
Thank you. You're carrying the torch of Lysander Spooner, and many other's who stand as examples of conduct for all of us, but most importantly for the Youth who inherit their world from us.
The world needs more men/women like you - examples in courage, who believe in themselves and the Laws of Nature, and enthusiastically share their knowledge.
And your point about young people is essential. We all want to see results in our lifetime. And maybe we will! But even if not, even if this is a generational project, we owe it to our children, and their children, to start.
It is an important and hopeful message you are putting out there in regards to not just 'talking' about anarchism, but actually making a real world effort to implement it. For my part, I am more focused on a spiritual anarchism, getting free of the control systems that religious and spiritual institutions have tried to place on our spiritual development.
I am in no way suggesting abandoning established religious faiths, but rather seeing where they have been used as a source of political power and discarding those aspects for the abominations they are. No true spiritual path should seek political power or control over others, not through violence or any other coercive means.
I am soon going to be talking about “being feee where you are.” That takes on a variety of forms—freedom from external coercion and involuntary authority is just one of them. Making yourself, qua yourself, free as possible is definitely another important objective. Spiritual freedom isn’t my area of focus, but I do have to touch on it. I am sure your input then (and to date) will help!
You are so right. The time has come for exit and build, in the many forms that can take. Whether it is the free cities movement, the network state movement, or any other movement seeking the true "consent of the governed," the time has come for action, not just theory.
And you are one of those who is taking real action! Planting flowers on the fields of the present and the sunlit uplands of the future. Thank you!
Undermine. "Irish Democracy." Or, as Max Borders calls it: underthrow (as opposed to overthrow).
The best protest is going about your life and livelihood, peaceably and nonviolently, as you see fit to do so.
Interested to see where you go with your concept of a distributed nation, now that you're into the What.
I met Max at FreedomFest ‘23 and did his Constitution of Consent contest (which was a pivotal experience/exercise for me). I love his term underthrow. I hope it becomes general parlance! He also introduced me to the word satyagraha.
And yes, all of these are important strategies. This has to be an all-fronts effort.
A very positive take. I fear the nasties in gubbamint will do all they can to deprive and destroy. Anything we build at this stage is at serious risk from their depredations. Until that variable is mitigated or refuted, building anything may be utterly futile.
I understand your fear. I share it.
But we cannot know what our actions will ultimately produce. We cannot know what we might shake loose. What processes we might set in motion, the long-term benefits of which might not reveal themselves at first. We MUST ACT!
We must try. If we sit in defeat and despair, then they have definitely beaten us.
And I will not be beaten.
Now that I am thinking about it, there are indeed some projects popping up everywhere (e.g., Free Cities or EcoVillages). Maybe there is some hope of more and more folks fighting for freedom. Maybe something can be achieved.
Of course something can be achieved! A hundred flowers are already blooming on the hillsides. Soon it will be a thousand. They cannot pluck us all. We will win.
That's the spirit!
Excited to get started Christopher! As strange as it may seem Qaddafi's rule by the people may hold some good ideas as well as some Native American's "policy" where often the Elders/Mothers had influence but not control.
When it makes sense to offer those specifics, please do!
Yes!
Exit to where and build what? The Chinese own 80% of the cement operations in the world, I think. Seriously, all your points are well taken. I believe this will be the last election as I agree with Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics. What chaos will evolve over the next few months is unknowable.
I think there will be a steady drifting apart of factions as government loses a modicum of control. I think we might need to see how the US tears itself apart over the next 5-10 years. Trying to rebuild during a hurry-cane is something only the stupid government would attempt. Actually, most people I know and see are just marking time with the belief that government is still the only option.
But maybe if enough silliness is going on, one may be able to escape the asylum. I have no land or underground bunker...but maybe it will be possible to hide in plain sight.
"Exit to where and build what?"
—Right, exactly. Other than that little strip of land between Egypt and Sudan, and that unclaimed by of the Danube and the huge section of Antarctica (that for some weird reason no one claims), there is no unclaimed land. It's all states in various degrees of unfreeness. It's all states in varying degrees of thrall to globalist overlords.
So, if there is no place to escape to, then we must someone build from within the bellies of the beasts. Not an easy task! But what alternative do we have?
When you are ready for physical engineering let me know. I don’t think anyone wants to go back to sticks and branches and rooting for grubs.
Sure. Of course you can use no dirt/cover at all. The intent of the cover might be for insulation or camo. Or, manybe you just don’t want to paint! Water proof, ventilation are the important features, and the further below grade, the more important drainage is. Having the backup gensets below grade added to the catastrophic result at Fukushima. Also light, especially natural light can be added using light-pipes, which can also be efficient and disguised- depending on snow cover . . . Intent>budget>solution(s)
Thanks for these thoughts!
Yeah, camo is cool, but also, the dirt has insulating properties, right? Like, if you are fully underground, you stay at 50-something degrees. I would not want to be fully underground, but berming would still give some o that benefit.
I also just started really looking at earthbag construction, but after seeing thrilling things like $12/square foot, I ran into some saying that it's not a great method for cold/wet climates. That would be a shame, because I REALLY like the idea of $12/square foot.
I wonder how close I could get to that with a metal arch + shotcrete. And how big I could go on the arch before it would needs some sort of internal support/truss system...
Two words, waterproofing, ventilation. I’m more on the electrical/mechanical side of things, but it can be done. Most recommend covering with shotcrete for structural reasons, depending on depth of cover. I live on an island. Keep up the great writing brother, we will make the future.
Glad to know you, Woody. And I am glad you’re on an island!
I think islands are going to be some of the first fully sovereign free territories. I respect efforts like Prospéra—they are paving the way! But they are still not fully free, which leaves them vulnerable to the state. (And sure enough, the socialists in charge of Honduras just voted to shut down future ZEDEs.)
But one day, some cash-strapped country is going to sell an island completely to some multi-billionaire entrepreneur, who is going to to create the first new private-law polity on that island. And then the floodgates may open…
I cannot move to an island, but I am trying to move us from the ‘burbs to a more rural piece of land. Hence my research into cheaper building methods.
With shotcrete over a steel arch building, you need rebar, right? I wonder how much that adds to the expense. And I assume that you would not need reinforcement if it’s just the shotcrete? But what about snow load. Or soil and snow? If that can be done without reinforcement, it would have to be thick gauge steel, I would imagine…
Of course, I am not wedded to arch + bermed construction. Just something inexpensive and nice that I can show my wife and say, “Look, we can do this for not too much money.”
I was just this morning looking at the feasibility of getting one of those steel arched Quonset buildings and berming it. Is there one strong enough to take soil and snow load without any reinforcement? What would reinforcement involve? Etc. I figure those buildings, on their own, and comparatively inexpensive. But a bunch of curved-wood trusses might cost enough to offset that benefit…
Hi Christopher. John Woods here (aka Woody). I don’t know what your level of trust is for you tube links. So you will have to put https:// in front of this and delete the spaces before ‘videos’ to make a link. This looks like a pretty complete walk through of what you are describing.
faircompanies.com/ videos/building-bunker-villa-on-a-budget-using-quonset-hut-structure/
BTW I listened to 2112 again, after you called it. Excellent.
Cheers
I am really enjoying watching this; thank you!
You might be able to get away with less volume of dirt if you use a series of terraces with lightweight retaining walls…??
"The importance of the individual" is the cornerstone of The Shift in Consciousness.
Get used to hearing those words because this is where we are.
Cheers!
Still have to swim upstream against humans' ultra-social nature. Just say the word "individual" and some people react as if you are taking away their binky and sending them to an island somewhere.
Yes, and unfortunately Spock got it wrong. The needs of the many do NOT override the needs of the few, or the one. It’s exactly the opposite.
That’s what got us into this mess.
Yes, that is a terrible expression. If he had said, "I choose to sacrifice myself for my fellows," that would have been a lot better.
I feel sure the poisoned kiwi needs to know about you and you he, Christopher. I can’t seem to tag him using the @….? He may well be a key person for us in the country of NZ.
@-tagging works in Notes, but not in comments. (Perhaps they will change that one day. In fact, I just went and did a feature request/suggestion to support. :-)
I just subbed the poisoned kiwi. Do you know him or her personally/directly?
Distributed nation or distributed anarcho-capitalism. I just read today following a Small Dead Animals; "The underground economy now comprises a third of the Canadian trucking industry, the Commons finance committee was told yesterday. Black market operators dodge billions in tax and flout labour laws, said the Canadian Trucking Alliance."
"Distributed nation or distributed anarcho-capitalism."
—Perhaps both 😉
"Black market operators dodge billions in tax and flout labour laws, said the Canadian Trucking Alliance."
—Maybe God bless and keep those great Canadian truckers!!
I think a lot of hope lies in truckers and bikers.
In fact, this gives me an idea…thanks!
The term anarchy has been corrupted. We have been led to believe that no gov (read: evil overlords) will be chaos. It means ‘without ruler’ and it’s what we should ALL want! One of the countless gems I discovered reading Feargus O’Connor Greenwood’s book “180 degrees. Unlearn the Lies you’ve been taught to believe”
"It means ‘without ruler’ and it’s what we should ALL want! "
—But but but but………I am a slave who needs a master!
—But but but but………humans are really rotten, so we need to elevate some of us rotten people to lead the rest of us rotten people!
🤣😉
This sounds really promising!
My own thinking has led me to almost the same conclusion. And until I read "The Network State" and "Plurality.net", I couldn't put any flesh nor bones together. It's crazy how difficult is put a consistent new theoretical framework and then think about how to IMPLEMENT IT!
In my specific case, I belive my country is ready for this, with almost 0%(+- 3%) of approval of the peruvian president Dina Boluarte and a host of mafias legislating in Congress. Peruvians are looking for a solution to put an end to all of this.
So far, I'm going to aim at a "Institutional Secession". I'm going to build an "Exit" through "Reform" (Voice). All it takes is a +60% Null vote and inmediately claim inside that all the people are the new congress with Veto vote in order to stop any law that they could consider against the new constitution that we will work through until the day of election using p2p technology, pol.is algorithm, cuadratic voting and AI summarization. This project of Direct Digital Democracy is aim at rebooting a country and replacing the most problematic part of the equation for good. Eliminate Congress and anyone who claims to talk for you
Amazing! Please keep me informed of your progress, and let’s keep comparing notes.
I will be focusing entirely away from existing governments (with some small exceptions), which has pluses and minuses.
Buena suerte!
Sure thing! The time for the Social Singularity has come. Max Borders is a key inspiration for me. And the things you have been writting too! I wish I was much more proficient at writting but instead I have taken my energy into TikTok and memes to break concepts down and use new ways to reach more people.
Let's gooo, vamos causaaaas
Memes are powerful! Do it!
Max is doing great work. Have you seen my entry into his Constitution of Consent contest?
I think that's how I found you on substack! I couldn't participate but I was really interested in the end result, the winner and the best works.
Yeah, memetic warfare is such a delightful experience, particularly when one hits a nerve in the public consciousness. I wish sometimes to be recognized by it by I'm keeping my digital persona as a misterious person like Satoshi. Just the idea of Underthrow borders the "subversive" label (pun non intended 🤣) and I might get persecuted by daring to attack the very idea of a sovereign Nation 🥸
"I think that's how I found you on substack"
—Cool!
"Just the idea of Underthrow borders the "subversive" label (pun non intended 🤣) and I might get persecuted by daring to attack the very idea of a sovereign Nation"
—I understand and share the concern. So far, though, no one has Arkancided Michael Malice, Max, me, Hans Hoppe, Larken Rose, etc. I have a few quick thoughts on this subject:
1. If you get known enough, it might actually make it less likely that you will be persecuted
2. If enough of us are really public about it, they cannot do anything to us. Strength in numbers.
3. If you don't name specific names, you're better off. (That was something Demi Pietchell noted in a conversation.) We are talking about generalities, and that is not as much of a threat to them. Plus, it's still fringe as far as they're concerned.
4. Screw 'em.
Thoughts?
Hahaha, I agree with all of those. Screw 'em!
My project's name is Pachacu-Tech (TikTok and YouTube) (I have Substack but can't decide which language to write in). It's a play on words from an old myth.
In the Andean concept of time, it was believed that long periods were linked by severe events called Pachakuti. Derived from the Aymara/Quechua word Pacha (meaning space, time, world, or earth) and kuti (meaning to overturn or turn back), Pachakuti signifies the overturning of space-time; a millennial moment when one world ends and another begins; a total transformation of things.
I believe technology is the force driving this new world. Hence, the name ends with "Tech" for Technology. But there's another twist: it sounds like "Pachacutec," the ninth Inca who built Machu Picchu. He earned this name by standing up to the greatest crisis of the Inca tribe.
Their elite abandoned their city to be destroyed by the most aggressive tribe, the Chancas. Instead of fleeing, he faced them and, against all odds, won. That's how he started the Inca Empire.
Right now, Peru feels reminiscent of that situation. Dina Boluarte as president is merely a puppet of Congress, and their laws are leading to tyranny. Meanwhile, violent crime has skyrocketed due to a recent law they passed to protect themselves...
People on the street are recalling the French Revolution
I would like to offer something to ponder...
On the Same Page (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/on-the-same-page
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻💪🏻🧠
Thank you. You're carrying the torch of Lysander Spooner, and many other's who stand as examples of conduct for all of us, but most importantly for the Youth who inherit their world from us.
The world needs more men/women like you - examples in courage, who believe in themselves and the Laws of Nature, and enthusiastically share their knowledge.
Cheers!
That means a great deal to me, Atomic. Thank you.
And your point about young people is essential. We all want to see results in our lifetime. And maybe we will! But even if not, even if this is a generational project, we owe it to our children, and their children, to start.
It is an important and hopeful message you are putting out there in regards to not just 'talking' about anarchism, but actually making a real world effort to implement it. For my part, I am more focused on a spiritual anarchism, getting free of the control systems that religious and spiritual institutions have tried to place on our spiritual development.
I am in no way suggesting abandoning established religious faiths, but rather seeing where they have been used as a source of political power and discarding those aspects for the abominations they are. No true spiritual path should seek political power or control over others, not through violence or any other coercive means.
Re: your second paragraph—yes, makes sense!
Re: the first…
I am soon going to be talking about “being feee where you are.” That takes on a variety of forms—freedom from external coercion and involuntary authority is just one of them. Making yourself, qua yourself, free as possible is definitely another important objective. Spiritual freedom isn’t my area of focus, but I do have to touch on it. I am sure your input then (and to date) will help!
Excellent work. Thank you.
Thank you Maemae.
Serious details coming tomorrow!