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Mara's avatar

Unless you have built up a military force to defend your claim, you can't declare independence.

I would suggest following in the footsteps of other multinational groups.

Inside your HQ, the law doesn't apply if nobody in the building believes in those laws and nobody outside can prove you aren't following them.

And if you become rich enough, you can buy an island to live on, with a private military to defend against pirates, and a bunker for storms.

Christopher Cook's avatar

There certainly are challenges.

That said, small countries do exist and survive without a military. Even larger ones—Costa Rica is going on the better part of a century without one. I am not saying you are wrong—only that the reality is more complex than the simple formulation. of lack of a military = automatic destruction.

That being said, the approach I/we will ultimately be taking here won't be about sticking a fork in the eyes of existing states and challenging them a reason to come clobber us. We have to be smarter than that.

Mara's avatar

You're correct, but if I recall correctly those countries are UN member states, they receive the implicit protection of the security council.

As a result, only security council members are likely to invade them.

Also I agree that a formal military isn't necessary, but I imagine that they have a police force to prevent crime syndicates from overthrowing the government.

Which is a not officially an army, but from where I sit, it is essentially an occupation force.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I am definitely not Pollyanna. Some sort of vector for the deployment of protective force is needed, to deal with internal and external violence. My preference for that is market agencies offering security, justice, and insurance-aggression services to willing customers rather than a government imposing their protection racket on captive citizens.

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Yep. Mara had started by talking about a military force; that is why I mentioned CR lack of one. I know they have internal law enforcement.

That said, I am not convinced that being a U.N. protectorate is of all that much value. If I were a conquerer bent on conquest, I would just look to history—once an invasion happens, it is very hard to dislodge. And I would not expect the blue helmets to have to guts to repulse my forces. (They don't have an impressive record.)

Bettina's avatar

But Mr Cook - your Scottish ancestry is the answer!!! You can properly lay claim through the Earls of Arran to various Western Isles. Many of them come up for sale and are uninhabited and totally beautiful eg https://www.thenational.scot/news/24481092.radical-islamists-raise-3m-buy-scottish-island-new-homeland/

The owner thankfully refused to sell it to the nutters, but a descendant of King James II would be a different proposition - we could crowdfund that surely and declare independence from Holyrood. It would be like Bonnie Prince Charlie all over again 😂

Christopher Cook's avatar

Dear Ministers and His Majesty King Charles:

May we please be our own country? Please? We won't bother you out here on this little island. We promise.

Pretty please? Pretty please with treacle on top?

Bettina's avatar

The population of Scotland is approaching 5.5 million. I think we could take a leaf out of the Muslim playbook and suggest to all libertarians and anarchists all over the world - move to Scotland!!! We can outnumber and outbreed the socialists, teach our children to love freedom and establish a new land of the free! Also there's lots of oil under the North Sea which the eco-loons in Westminster refuse to extract.

Christopher Cook's avatar

That plan has borne some fruit in New Hampshire. And I do see its appeal. I would recommend concentrating on a small area like The Borders and then secede there. But that won’t happen because the most freedom-loving people are also usually “patriots.”

Ultimately, we must get away from the model whereby we look at a single country as something we must “take over” or “take back.” This is a tough pill to swallow, especially since conservative nationalist types have formed such a stalwart bulwark against loony leftism, but I think the concept of “countries” as we currently understand them needs to end.

If we don’t, then it’s just “we beat the socialists and get to control 57% of the agenda for a few years” and then they beat us and get their turn. It seems to me to be a recipe for a permanent hellscape. I don’t want to force anything on the socialists. I don’t want them to force anything on me. Just let me and my people go. Panarchism. Market anarchism. Small polities. I think that has to be the way of the future.

OGRE's avatar

It's almost like going back to tribes in some ways.

In a tribe all government is local. That's why tribes actually worked so well for so long.

There's no reason that they can't/won't work again, in some hybrid fashion.

It's the centralization of power and control that ALWAYS leads down the road of disaster. The worst people will always work their way to the top, and effect the rest of the people in some negative fashion.

Christopher Cook's avatar

You are very much presaging much of what I will be writing about soon.

OGRE's avatar

We're on the level... 😉👉

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Christopher Cook's avatar

So where are ya from, Rosie? (We're American, but my brother lives in The Borders and my sister in Edinburgh.)

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Brandy's avatar

I think I qualify here. I bought my dad a little sq foot, but I don't think we can farm it. 🤣

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Nelson Martin's avatar

“ Where once [judges] were largely considered to be arbiters and interpreters of natural law, we now had legislators who could create any law they wished. In the past, the law was discovered. Today, laws are invented out of whole cloth…”

Amen, Christopher. Government laws are nothing more than the commands and demands of politicians, and anyone who depends on politicians to determine what’s right and what’s wrong needs to have their head examined!

Christopher Cook's avatar

We need to reach them. Statist programming runs strong in our species—but we can overcome it in many if we keep making good arguments.

P. Brooks McGinnis's avatar

Do Not Blindly Follow These Super Rich Monsters

All War is Evil. No More War.

Stop Paying these Monsters Income Taxes

Stop Paying for WAR.

Stop paying for Scientific Fruad. Stop Trusting Government's.

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P. Brooks McGinnis's avatar

Interesting concept.

Governments have overstepped all boundries and are no longer accountable to the folks that they controll.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Were they ever, really?

Alan Devincentis's avatar

We have to stay here and kill the state.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I'm getting there…🤣🔥

Jim in Alaska's avatar

I still think living in the cracks is the way to go. Give unto Caesar the absolute minimum necessary to keep him off your back and keep on truckin'.

Distributed nations & network states; I've mentioned before LoRa, Meshtastic and peer to peer and peer through peer networks. Contact can be maintained without the bottlenecks and government spying and control inherent in landlines, cell phones and the internet. What Caesar can't see he can't tax nor control.

Christopher Cook's avatar

LoRa, Meshtastic are for short distances only, correct?

Jim in Alaska's avatar

Yes/no/maybe/depends. The ideal range to the next LoRa receiver is, I'd say, around two miles, usable in a lot of cases seven miles. The record sent and received one LoRa to another is around 500 miles.

However we're, talking about working with mestastic talking peer to and through peer. Say you send a message to Tom who is 300 miles away. The signal leaves your unit is picked up but all other units on the frequency which decide 'no that message ain't for me so they pass it on and on down the line until say it reaches say Dick who is near Harry and his unit sends it to Tom.

Christopher Cook's avatar

It is a way-cool system. Do you use it regularly?

Jim in Alaska's avatar

No, I'm still experimenting, playing with it.

It's a text system and right now direct peer (I can talk to Tom direct, no need to write it out or go through Dick and Harry.) to less than five miles away peer voice communication fits my needs best, hence Quansheng UV K5 handhelds (walkietalkies).

Christopher Cook's avatar

So much to figure out. I will be interested to hear updates on how it's going!

Crixcyon's avatar

We have been brain-bushwacked and centralized under abusive authority for 200 years. Other than trying to build your own separate fortress, which is not practical for many of us, we might have to wait until the country splits apart. I think it will divide itself. The democrat/retardican tyranny is becoming ever so untenable.

Will we have a Civil War II? Perhaps if the neocons don't start WWIII first. I believe that the government would rather murder us outright with poisons rather than have to fight a Civil War. Kind of ridiculous since no war is ever civil. And neither is any government.

Christopher Cook's avatar

The country should break apart. Even if we were to accept the conventional view of government/republics, etc., this one is obviously way too big.

Eckstein's avatar

What word can tell you about the current state system

https://substack.com/@eckstein/note/c-71505112

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

I'm telling You... Add free energy to the mix and no One will have more power than any Other as money use dissipates. We will own what We use. No point to owning more. And We can govern as a solutocracy.

Own What You Use (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/own-what-you-use

Solutocracy – A Way to Govern (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/solutocracy-a-way-to-govern

An K.'s avatar

I do not see a link to donate just once or even repeatedly.. I just cannot make a monthly commitment.. not right now...

Thank you for all you do!!

Christopher Cook's avatar

Thank you :-) I guess I should probably start adding other options. Cheers!

An K.'s avatar

:) 👍

Brandy's avatar

Getting exciting!

David Jäkle's avatar

Let me add time preference to the “three further problems.“

Christopher Cook's avatar

Sure! And 100 other things!

DSKlausler's avatar

Of course I look forward to all your writings but this is gold:

"...independence is likely to be challenged..."

By now, your readers hopefully understand that this will most likely result in a great many deaths.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I have factored that difficulty into my calculus for the distributed nation concept.

But also, let us be careful not to be too blackpilled. There are challenges, and governments are wicked. But there is also great hope. The USSR fell in three days. We do not know exactly where our actions will lead. We must act!

Mara's avatar

The USSR voluntarily dissolved because it's members no longer wanted to hold it together.

It'd be like if NATO agreed to disband, it can hardly be called a fall.

Christopher Cook's avatar

So you believe that the August Coup was staged for that purpose?

I am of course totally willing to believe that—far stranger things have happened.

However, I happened to be there (Studying at MSU for that very month as a young student majoring in Russian), and so I saw it, and indeed participated in it. It certainly seemed real on the ground. But who knows!

Mara's avatar

Not quite, my response was over simplified.

In my view, the forces undermining the USSR had been working for decades, and I believe that most of the members wanted to leave, as many were forced to join in the first place.

So I can accept your view that the coup was an important and real event, but I believe it represented a struggle between several groups to retain their power rather than the resistance of the soviet people to foreign interference. Though I accept that there was foreign interference.

Maybe a good analogy would be terrain theory versus germ theory. In the body there is a problem, and germs then emerge in the diseased tissue.

Although the germs can exacerbate the problem, the original diseased state provided the fertile ground for the colonisation.

Similarly, many historical revolutions took place during periods of extreme poverty and hunger.

So, in essence, I believe that the alliance had been declining in strength for a long time, and that the coup attempt was more of a desperate bid to hold on to a delusion that failed to account for the reality on the ground.

But I could be wrong, and as someone who actually experienced it in person, your view is much more credible. There are many things that people will miss if they are detached from a situation.

Although equally, sometimes people who are too invested can miss the bigger picture.

Both perspectives together could capture more than either one on its own.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Well, my perspective and experiences were also entirely personal and subjective. I was one kid in my early 20s, looking to have a good time, hang out with my new Russian friends, get closer to my new Russian girlfriend, smoke cigarettes sitting on the sidewalk while eating pickled sausages out of a jar, etc. Not exactly a study in geopolitical knowledge. My only point there was that from the ground-level perspective, real events were transpiring. Real people doing real things (including some really nutso stuff that Dmitri, Timor, and I did on the Tuesday of the coup!).

I suspect that you are correct in significant degree about your suppositions. Even the conventional explanation has it as a power struggle between the Gang of Eight and Gorbachev, rather than some popular uprising. But once it started, it became a sort of popular uprising, and most of the people were on the Gorbachev/Yeltsin side (at least as far as I could tell on the ground), even though 80% of the army or more were on the other side.

One of my takeways, then, is that we just don't know what will happen once events begin. The intended outcome is not always the actual outcome, even when there are powerful forces involved. That gives me a bit of hope.

DSKlausler's avatar

Agreed, but always better to be prepared for the worst.

Christopher Cook's avatar

And I agree with that. But… people are so blackpilled these days that they are paralyzed. We must overcome that. If we don't, then our overlords have definitely won.

Calvin Perrins's avatar

Land is irrelevant in regards to being sovereign and having jurisdiction 😉

Calvin Perrins's avatar

A fantastic document to read is the Doctrine of Micro Sovereignty

https://self-realisation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Doctrine-of-Micro-Sovereignty.pdf

Plus here's all the international law that went into the research before the Treaty of UCT was ratified.

https://self-realisation.com/autonomous/international-law-convention-downloads/

Christopher Cook's avatar

Looking forward to it; thanks.

Salango's avatar

Do you think a "Institutional Secession" is possible? Like making a fork to the goverment based only on the Legislative power since, if every single one of us is capable to represent themself, through the internet and the help of AI, a Representative Congress seem to me like a redundant structure.

Digital Democracy is and old idea but wasn't feasible since we didn't have the brainpower to the scale of a conversation of millions... Until ChatGPT showed up...

Calvin Perrins's avatar

The state is just an institution that imposes tyranny on the individual without consent, so it can never be legitimate. Our birth rights are guaranteed under common/natural law and we all have the right to self determination and self governance.

Universal Community Trust has created a natural law jurisdiction by which every one, everywhere can consent to step into a natural law jurisdiction and form sovereign communities based upon the guiding principles of natural law.

https://www.universal-community-trust.org/uct-treaty-full/

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Christopher Cook's avatar

Agorism is a legit strategy. The system is unjust and does not deserve our respect. Any obedience is strictly a practical matter of not wanting to be martyred.