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I’m always amazed how “right here” I learn so much. I’ve always said “hang out with smarter people and you will continue to learn”, I’m glad to be here!

One thing I’ve learned over my 60 years is when I see someone that is working really hard, struggled to raise good kids, or someone helping another, I honor them with a compliment, “your doing a great job”. We all carry honor and have it to give. When we honor someone we’re not just doing them a favor, we are doing ourselves a favor. When showing honor there is a commanded blessing that will be returned back into our own life. It can be as simple as giving up your seat to an older person, let someone go ahead of you in a line, or just complimenting someone. The amount of honor that you show is directly related to the amount of Gods favor you will see in your life.

Paul said in Ephesians 6 “Honor your father and mother” which is the first commandment with a promise, “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy a long life”. This is saying, honor should start at home. It should start in our own family with those closest to us. We should never treat complete strangers better than our family or spouse, it should be opposite that. Young people should listen to their parents. Mark Twain said “When I was 14, my father was so dumb, I could hardly stand to be around him, but when I got to be 21, I was amazed at how much the man had learned”. We should not honor our parents with just words but with how we treat them.

One thing I am sure of, you will never change a dishonorable situation by adding more dishonor. That will always make matters worse. Honoring someone lifts them. You should honor people the way you would want them to be.

I can’t tell you how much respect I have for women. For centuries women have worked and fought for their position in this world. In a general sense, you will never gain honor, and should not gain that honor, by dishonoring women, plain and simple. You will never receive what you are not willing to give, and if you don’t give honor you won’t have honor. The present dishonor shown to women today saddens me. It is a sign of a sickness spread in our society. The key to a breakthrough that we pray for, is to honor the people and women that God has put in our lives in a greater way.

The only way I see so many of these problems in our world today being resolved, is for people and government to return to honoring and respecting the people, and their God given freedoms, free thoughts, privacies and liberties, anything short of that is surely done with the intent to divide us. J.Goodrich

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You can always count on me to add another perspective here from time to time. This time it's to shift the paradigm a tad to where being uncivil has demonstrably benefited the cause of freedom.

To wit, when I've traveled outside the US I've seen and shaken my head at what's described as "the ugly American." Rude, demanding, arrogant, forgetting they are guests in another nation. Not respecting the ways of others. I'd feel for the locals subjected to the ugly American. And tried to make a different impression, as a way to say, "we're not all like that."

I know others will feel the same way. And become apologetic, embarrassed for our nation. It wasn't until 2020 and its aftermath we still live with for me to come to another understanding of "the ugly American" that's not so judgmental. I now believe that had we held onto more of that rudeness, that "ugly American" in our nation's DNA that we'd not have joined in the rush to totalitarianism.

When I've visited Nordic nations I've noted how nice and polite the people generally are. Very civil. There's a superficial civility in public interactions. Not particularly warm, on the cooler side. It's only when you spend time with locals in their homes when they're surrounded by friends and you've been invited to be one of them that they tend to let their hair down, become warmer. And remain polite, civil.

I visited Iceland. So I took note of this story out of Iceland when I read it. Iceland is a very civil, obedient country. And obedience to authority is fertile ground for totalitarianism. That nice civility comes with that big vulnerability.

Count how many times the word "obedience/obey" is used in this story out of Iceland about a nurse in Iceland who defied the testing mandates and was punished, fined for challenging authority:

Could terminate work contract of a nurse who denied taking rapid Covid tests

Iceland Monitor, March 9, 2023

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2023/03/09/could_terminate_work_contract_of_a_nurse_who_denied/

"the nurse disobeyed company orders"

"she was required to obey such orders"

"employees' obedience to the employer's legal order is one of the primary duties of employees"

"an employee must submit to the mastery of his employer"

"work procedures must be obeyed"

"breach of a duty to obey or refusal by the employee to obey a directive"

"employee’s breach of the duty to obey"

"the employee’s refusal to obey is considered a serious failure"

"Obviously, obedience is considered to be an important part of running a business"

"obedience obligations are evidently to be regarded as critical to the operation of the policy"

"The Court finds that the breach of the duty of obedience by the nurse during the time in question constitutes a serious breach of the employment contract"

"The woman was then sentenced to pay the company Klíníkin 1.2 million ISK [$8,500 USD] in legal costs."

FF - If authorities (including employers) order the people to wear anything, a mask, a strap-on dildo, whatever in public they will and must. Obey. It's the civil thing to do. Society stays nice and peaceful that way. But not very free. Obedient and free do not go together. Mutually exclusive.

Don't mistake nice, civil people for opponents of totalitarianism. Quite the opposite. Nice people support totalitarianism. By their unflinching obedience to authority. And desire to not offend, to remain civil.

I'm also reminded of stories I read from Germans who faced American soldiers in WWII. The Devil's Brigade:

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/first-special-service-force.html

"The “Black Devils,” as they were called by the enemy, carried stickers with their unit patch and the slogan – “the worst is yet to come” – written in German. They stuck these on the bodies of those they killed, as well as on German fortifications. The 1SSF’s reputation was so fierce that, prior to engaging with the group, the German soldiers were informed they would be “fighting an elite Canadian-American Force. They are treacherous, unmerciful and clever. You cannot afford to relax.”.”

Other German's opinions of the American soldier:

https://inquisitiveflow.com/german-opinion-of-american-soldiers-in-ww2

Opinion on American soldiers’ character during the battle:

"Another claim Americans were worthy fighters, quite reckless but had nerve."

Americans as their prisoners of war:

"The Americans would complain about the food, which was indeed bad all the time.

They were bad prisoners since they won’t talk or work."

American officers and subordinate relationship:

"The subordinate soldiers lacked iron discipline when it comes to their officers. However, their cordial relationship compensated for this."

FF - Rudeness. Disobedience. Incivility. As an asset. A complete paradigm shift. It's how we stay free. That doesn't mean I go around now and intentionally try to be rude. And as with all things the ideal is found in balance between civil and uncivil. But if it has to be one or the other, uncivil and free or civil and enslaved I will choose uncivil exactly ten out of ten times.

I don't apologize for offending where offense is intentional. And the words "no" and "go f yourself" will come off my lips when told to do something I don't wish to and without explanation unless it earns my consent based on the merit of the demand/request. No "yes" just to be nice and civil.

How's that for a paradigm shift and defense of incivility?

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