Elon Musks Space X has also created over 4400 new employee and investor millionaires. This is on top of all the services his companies have created for consumers.
Remember a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything you have.
And where does Elon make his billions from? Oh that would be primarily...contracts contracts and subsidies from big government! Musk is a fraud, a front man and a clown...all complimentary skillsets, conveniently. 🤡
Fair point Warmek. Here is AI summary below for what that is worth, at least what we can see from the front door...no telling what shenanigans goes on with things like hyperloop, boring company and black agency contracts. Musk is still a piece of shit globalist technocratic front man in my estimation.
Elon Musk's companies have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits since 2003, with $6.3 billion committed in 2024 alone. This figure represents cumulative support over two decades rather than a single year's revenue, though nearly two-thirds of the total was received in the last five years.
SpaceX accounts for the vast majority of this funding, holding $22 billion in government contracts as of 2024 and receiving between $2 billion and $4 billion annually from agencies like NASA and the Department of Defense. In contrast, Tesla has benefited from approximately $11.4 billion in regulatory credits and a low-interest $465 million loan from the Department of Energy during its early stages.
Tax Avoidance and Future Obligations:
Tesla reported $4.8 billion in income in 2025 but paid $0 in federal income tax, resulting in a three-year effective tax rate of just 0.47%.
An additional $11.8 billion from 52 ongoing contracts is projected to flow to Musk's businesses over the next few years.
The $38 billion total is considered an undercount as it excludes classified defense and intelligence work, such as a reported $1.8 billion contract for spy satellites.
And you're free to call him a "piece of shit globalist technocratic front man", and you can probably even do so on Twitter, since he bought it and effectively restored something like the semblance of actually audible free speech on the Internet.
Ultimately, I personally rate Musk as far more of a win than a loss on the liberty front. Your mileage may vary. I'm obviously not delighted by the tax money he has eaten. I'd even call those numbers likely *under*estimates, since there were general "electric car" subsidies that also shouldn't have ever existed, and that the AI didn't think to factor in. Still, he seems a net positive to me. Maybe I'm held in the delusions of fanboyism. I recognize that as being a possible option.
"That's a heck of a lot less than 1000 billion.". I should not have used the word primarily..you were correct to point this out and I stand corrected in my phrasing. My point is that without all these advantages, connections & contracts with government & MIC...Musk would not be where he is today by any stretch. And, 1000 billion is total nonsense...this is largely phony inflated stock value..he doesn't actually have 1 trillion dollars...if he had to show what his real cash worth is vs inflated market value...he's a nothing burger.
I agree with you on the general EV subsidies. Tesla would have been a no go if it weren't for those market distorting subsidies. Tesla cars should have never made it to market because they could not be produced at a competitive price..so his worth is artificial and propped up by unfair government intervention.
Thanks for being honest in your comments and for allowing me to give you a hard time about your Musky opinion 😂
This isn’t my conversation, but I will just chime in with one thing. My biggest issue with the criticism of Musk isn’t the kind of criticism you’re offering. It’s the left’s critique, which is simply that “no one should have that kind of money.” They don’t care a whit about the cronyism and the rest of it. They just hate that anyone might have more of anything, like the jealous, knuckle-dragging cavemen they are.
> My point is that without all these advantages, connections & contracts with government & MIC...Musk would not be where he is today by any stretch.
I will absolutely agree with that.
> And, 1000 billion is total nonsense.
I will partially agree with this. It's definitely the case that the vast majority of it is tied up in stocks, but given the way the economic system is structured these days, even not being able to produce a Scrooge McDuck style money vault full of gold coins to swim in, it still gives him a fair bit of leverage. Or fiat currency system is *already* essentially one very large consensual hallucination, so that hallucination also including stock values isn't much of a stretch.
> I agree with you on the general EV subsidies. Tesla would have been a no go if it weren't for those market distorting subsidies.
I'm not sure the company would have completely failed, but the subsidies (which, it should be noted, mostly went to people who are *already* fairly wealthy) certainly helped. Even aside from that, I have *very* strong opinions on the subject of EVs (TL;DR: They're stupid.) so, I'm trying to be as generous as I can in my arguments there.
> Thanks for being honest in your comments and for allowing me to give you a hard time about your Musky opinion 😂
As an addendum to my response, I would add that a reason Musk is clearly a front man stems from the fact that he supposedly runs so many different enormously & technically complex businesses (LOL) while still having plenty of time to do celebrity interviews, podcasts, expound on his philosophical views in public, womanize, farm a bunch of kids and artificially inseminate multiple woman WHILE magically finding time to personally oversee auditing the entire federal government. Really??! I am sorry but no single human is capable of all this even with plenty of delegation. This smacks of a manufactured celebrity personality, not to mention his creepy DARK MAGA stunts. Is Musk even human? 🤔
Musk is definitely autistic of some flavor, in much the same way I am, although without also having the occasionally crippling depression that I do. And I think you may be significantly underestimating what can be accomplished by an "ideas man" with absurd quantities of capital and vast amounts of delegation. You're right that he's not really "running" most of those companies once they're past the startup phase, or in the case of Twitter / X, once he's past the "housecleaning and reorganization" phase. But an Admiral doesn't actually helm all the ships in his Carrier Strike Group either. He delegates. A *lot*.
As for whether he's "human", well, Lord knows there's plenty of times that *I* don't necessarily feel like I am. It would therefore be improper for me to speculate on the human status of other human shaped animals. 🤪
There *is* actually a decent point in there. A *significant* amount of Elon's gains have been paid in tax dollars. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate many of the things he's done, but Musk, Bezos, Gates, and many, many others have gotten *incredibly* wealthy by being tax eaters. I don't think the solution is to tax billionaires into oblivion, of course, but rather to simply eliminate both taxation and tax funded projects, and remove most of the regulations on the market, and let people become billionaires (or even trillionaires) *purely* through legitimate market transactions, so there can be no doubt that they truly earned it.
Yes, given that I work in the defense industry, this is almost certainly hypocritical of me. I own that.
“I don't think the solution is to tax billionaires into oblivion, of course, but rather to simply eliminate both taxation and tax funded projects, and remove most of the regulations on the market, and let people become billionaires (or even trillionaires) *purely* through legitimate market transactions, so there can be no doubt that they truly earned it.”
How could I ever live up to your transhumanist hero who went in and inserted AI into the government for "efficiency"..and then walked away. A bit DOGEy...er..I mean dodgy don't ya think? 🤣
Heh, no, probably not. Though perhaps they could do better than that rather absurd ending. The last couple of episodes kind of fall apart. #1 is a guy in a monkey mask?
By the way—wasn’t there a remake like 20 years ago? Did you see that?
As a teenager, on my own for the first time, I was riveted by it. It helped me clarify my sense of boundaries, and keeping the idea of maximum clarity top of mind. I enjoy the themes outlined in each of the episodes, but mostly ignore the ending.
I have the dreadful remake on blueray. I was looking forward to it, but it was a hatchet job, with few redeeming points.
Oh, gods, I'd *really* rather not. Hollywood (and almost everything tangential to it, as well) is such crap these days. And I have only ever seen *one* movie remake that was actually an improvement over the original. ("True Grit") I'm... honestly a little bit glad that Val Kilmer died before he got to his stated project of wanting to do a remake of "Real Genius", because that is one of my favorite movies and I'm just *sure* they'd have fucked it in the ear, the way they do everything.
They can't even do *television* sequels properly. I saw one episode ("**One.** Episode.") of a show called "Motor Mythbusters" which was notionally a Mythbusters follow-on that was about busting automotive myths or re-creating them, and... it was bad. *So* bad.
"I *am* a number! Free me! Turn me into a woman!" 🤮🤮🤮
I dunno. It's been too many years. Maybe the very first episode of the original "Mythbusters" was bad too. I quite literally can't even remember what it *was*, even though I'm sure I've watched it several times. But... this was definitely no Jamie, Adam, and Kari.
And it hurts a bit, too, because I loved that show so much, and I had friends that worked on it. This kind of feels like just more "Hollywood" (even if it's not *actually* Hollywood qua Hollywood) raping the corpse of something I loved, for money. Apparently other people felt the same way. It debuted in 2021, and only ran for one season.
I propose there be an award called "The Sophie", for dunking on an opponent. " Citizen Vigilante" gets "the Sophie" for this weekend movie views. Over Supergirl.
I did happen to stumble upon something elsewhere last night that explained it. I had seen something prior about the Caitlin Clark assault, but it hadn't mentioned Sophie. So I get it now, but... I'm not much of a sports person in general, and the WNBA is even further outside my usual wheelhouse of knowledge than that.
Warmek's Knowledge of Sport: "The World Cup is happening."
Basically, Caitlin Clark transformed the WNBA from its terrible state—bringing back audiences, revenues, endorsements, and excitement. But because she is white, she is being borderline assaulted every night, and the refs are allowing it (and even calling absurd fouls on her), and the league is allowing it too.
Never assume incompetence when malice is a better explanation. This is on purpose. Just as the Brits arresting rape victims rather than their attackers is intentional. Just like importing those attackers in the first place was intentional.
Sophie Cunningham is Caitlin's enforcer. She is also hated because she's a beautiful blond white woman.
I definitely didn't go that deep. I saw the video of Sophie pointing at another player and that player being really mad about it. That was as far as I went.
That's pretty fucked up for them to do to the girl. And remarkably stupid, if she's the one finally getting people to watch.
Just looked it up. Awesome! And the pearl-clutching response from the usual suspects makes me wonder if any of them have any testosterone in their bodies AT ALL.
Overall a good set! You know I have issues with keeping Us from Our rightful wealth by requiring Us to account for the energy We add into a system that, for needed things, needs fewer than 20% of Us...and We can automate all needed work no One WANTS to do. And thereby We are kept in slavery...
So the memes with support for that accounting are... Funny but...
Elon Musks Space X has also created over 4400 new employee and investor millionaires. This is on top of all the services his companies have created for consumers.
Remember a government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything you have.
And remember, lefties don’t want poor people to be rich; they want rich people to be poor.
They literally have a chant about it.
"Tax and tax and tax some more, until the rich are rich no more."
Note that it says nothing about improving *anyone's* standard of living.
Excellent point.
Tho’ how have I never heard that particular chant, in all my years? I even did photojournalism covering lefty rallies…
And where does Elon make his billions from? Oh that would be primarily...contracts contracts and subsidies from big government! Musk is a fraud, a front man and a clown...all complimentary skillsets, conveniently. 🤡
Contracts and subsidies that produce technology that the government uses and jobs that we all use.
Yay! to the technologies we all use!
Boo! to the government and everything it does.
I'm not sure about "primarily". Certainly, a *lot* of it was generated that way. But I don't know that "primarily" is accurate.
Fair point Warmek. Here is AI summary below for what that is worth, at least what we can see from the front door...no telling what shenanigans goes on with things like hyperloop, boring company and black agency contracts. Musk is still a piece of shit globalist technocratic front man in my estimation.
Elon Musk's companies have received at least $38 billion in government contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits since 2003, with $6.3 billion committed in 2024 alone. This figure represents cumulative support over two decades rather than a single year's revenue, though nearly two-thirds of the total was received in the last five years.
SpaceX accounts for the vast majority of this funding, holding $22 billion in government contracts as of 2024 and receiving between $2 billion and $4 billion annually from agencies like NASA and the Department of Defense. In contrast, Tesla has benefited from approximately $11.4 billion in regulatory credits and a low-interest $465 million loan from the Department of Energy during its early stages.
Tax Avoidance and Future Obligations:
Tesla reported $4.8 billion in income in 2025 but paid $0 in federal income tax, resulting in a three-year effective tax rate of just 0.47%.
An additional $11.8 billion from 52 ongoing contracts is projected to flow to Musk's businesses over the next few years.
The $38 billion total is considered an undercount as it excludes classified defense and intelligence work, such as a reported $1.8 billion contract for spy satellites.
That's a heck of a lot less than 1000 billion.
And you're free to call him a "piece of shit globalist technocratic front man", and you can probably even do so on Twitter, since he bought it and effectively restored something like the semblance of actually audible free speech on the Internet.
Ultimately, I personally rate Musk as far more of a win than a loss on the liberty front. Your mileage may vary. I'm obviously not delighted by the tax money he has eaten. I'd even call those numbers likely *under*estimates, since there were general "electric car" subsidies that also shouldn't have ever existed, and that the AI didn't think to factor in. Still, he seems a net positive to me. Maybe I'm held in the delusions of fanboyism. I recognize that as being a possible option.
"Your milage may very"...good one. 😁
"That's a heck of a lot less than 1000 billion.". I should not have used the word primarily..you were correct to point this out and I stand corrected in my phrasing. My point is that without all these advantages, connections & contracts with government & MIC...Musk would not be where he is today by any stretch. And, 1000 billion is total nonsense...this is largely phony inflated stock value..he doesn't actually have 1 trillion dollars...if he had to show what his real cash worth is vs inflated market value...he's a nothing burger.
I agree with you on the general EV subsidies. Tesla would have been a no go if it weren't for those market distorting subsidies. Tesla cars should have never made it to market because they could not be produced at a competitive price..so his worth is artificial and propped up by unfair government intervention.
Thanks for being honest in your comments and for allowing me to give you a hard time about your Musky opinion 😂
This isn’t my conversation, but I will just chime in with one thing. My biggest issue with the criticism of Musk isn’t the kind of criticism you’re offering. It’s the left’s critique, which is simply that “no one should have that kind of money.” They don’t care a whit about the cronyism and the rest of it. They just hate that anyone might have more of anything, like the jealous, knuckle-dragging cavemen they are.
> My point is that without all these advantages, connections & contracts with government & MIC...Musk would not be where he is today by any stretch.
I will absolutely agree with that.
> And, 1000 billion is total nonsense.
I will partially agree with this. It's definitely the case that the vast majority of it is tied up in stocks, but given the way the economic system is structured these days, even not being able to produce a Scrooge McDuck style money vault full of gold coins to swim in, it still gives him a fair bit of leverage. Or fiat currency system is *already* essentially one very large consensual hallucination, so that hallucination also including stock values isn't much of a stretch.
> I agree with you on the general EV subsidies. Tesla would have been a no go if it weren't for those market distorting subsidies.
I'm not sure the company would have completely failed, but the subsidies (which, it should be noted, mostly went to people who are *already* fairly wealthy) certainly helped. Even aside from that, I have *very* strong opinions on the subject of EVs (TL;DR: They're stupid.) so, I'm trying to be as generous as I can in my arguments there.
> Thanks for being honest in your comments and for allowing me to give you a hard time about your Musky opinion 😂
No worries. 🤣🤣🤣
As an addendum to my response, I would add that a reason Musk is clearly a front man stems from the fact that he supposedly runs so many different enormously & technically complex businesses (LOL) while still having plenty of time to do celebrity interviews, podcasts, expound on his philosophical views in public, womanize, farm a bunch of kids and artificially inseminate multiple woman WHILE magically finding time to personally oversee auditing the entire federal government. Really??! I am sorry but no single human is capable of all this even with plenty of delegation. This smacks of a manufactured celebrity personality, not to mention his creepy DARK MAGA stunts. Is Musk even human? 🤔
> Is Musk even human? 🤔
Musk is definitely autistic of some flavor, in much the same way I am, although without also having the occasionally crippling depression that I do. And I think you may be significantly underestimating what can be accomplished by an "ideas man" with absurd quantities of capital and vast amounts of delegation. You're right that he's not really "running" most of those companies once they're past the startup phase, or in the case of Twitter / X, once he's past the "housecleaning and reorganization" phase. But an Admiral doesn't actually helm all the ships in his Carrier Strike Group either. He delegates. A *lot*.
As for whether he's "human", well, Lord knows there's plenty of times that *I* don't necessarily feel like I am. It would therefore be improper for me to speculate on the human status of other human shaped animals. 🤪
I’m sure you do more for the community around you.
There *is* actually a decent point in there. A *significant* amount of Elon's gains have been paid in tax dollars. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate many of the things he's done, but Musk, Bezos, Gates, and many, many others have gotten *incredibly* wealthy by being tax eaters. I don't think the solution is to tax billionaires into oblivion, of course, but rather to simply eliminate both taxation and tax funded projects, and remove most of the regulations on the market, and let people become billionaires (or even trillionaires) *purely* through legitimate market transactions, so there can be no doubt that they truly earned it.
Yes, given that I work in the defense industry, this is almost certainly hypocritical of me. I own that.
“I don't think the solution is to tax billionaires into oblivion, of course, but rather to simply eliminate both taxation and tax funded projects, and remove most of the regulations on the market, and let people become billionaires (or even trillionaires) *purely* through legitimate market transactions, so there can be no doubt that they truly earned it.”
—💯💯💯
How could I ever live up to your transhumanist hero who went in and inserted AI into the government for "efficiency"..and then walked away. A bit DOGEy...er..I mean dodgy don't ya think? 🤣
This is one of your best sets! I can't even pick a fave.
High praise from you, Ratio!
I did pick a fave because it was a moral imperative that I choose the one I did, but you're not wrong that this set is absolutely on fire.
🔥
Become Ungovernable. I'm sticking to it! Feel free to check out my page for memes if you like Chris'.
Your meme game is legendary.
<stands at attention> SALUTE!
"Do I like memes more than people?"
"SOLD!"
Love Sophie!!!
Yes. And what she and Caitlin represent.
In the meme Sophie Cunningham is doing her pointing taunt as the Statue of Liberty. It makes me smile when I see it.
Agree with your comments about '...vigilante'.
I contrasting the high dollar flop from Disney vs the independent film dealing with real issues of good and evil.
Right on.
By the way, I love the quote from “The Prisoner” in your bio. Classic!
Nice, few recognize that.
Can you imagine The Prisoner being made today?
Heh, no, probably not. Though perhaps they could do better than that rather absurd ending. The last couple of episodes kind of fall apart. #1 is a guy in a monkey mask?
By the way—wasn’t there a remake like 20 years ago? Did you see that?
As a teenager, on my own for the first time, I was riveted by it. It helped me clarify my sense of boundaries, and keeping the idea of maximum clarity top of mind. I enjoy the themes outlined in each of the episodes, but mostly ignore the ending.
I have the dreadful remake on blueray. I was looking forward to it, but it was a hatchet job, with few redeeming points.
Yes, it was early teens for me too. My dad introduced me. I love how he slowly starts getting the better of them as the episodes wear on.
Is the remake a redo of each episode, or does it go in new directions? And are you saying I shouldn’t bother at all?
Totally new direction. I have no plans to re-watch the remake
> Can you imagine The Prisoner being made today?
Oh, gods, I'd *really* rather not. Hollywood (and almost everything tangential to it, as well) is such crap these days. And I have only ever seen *one* movie remake that was actually an improvement over the original. ("True Grit") I'm... honestly a little bit glad that Val Kilmer died before he got to his stated project of wanting to do a remake of "Real Genius", because that is one of my favorite movies and I'm just *sure* they'd have fucked it in the ear, the way they do everything.
They can't even do *television* sequels properly. I saw one episode ("**One.** Episode.") of a show called "Motor Mythbusters" which was notionally a Mythbusters follow-on that was about busting automotive myths or re-creating them, and... it was bad. *So* bad.
"I *am* a number! Free me! Turn me into a woman!" 🤮🤮🤮
“I *am* a number! Free me! Turn me into a woman!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean... I'm not *wrong*, though, about how a 2027 reboot of "The Prisoner" would go... Even if I really *wish* I was.
You’re not wrong at all. I have almost entirely stopped watching anything from later than 2015, because I know how it’s going to be.
Lol,
I still enjoy the old shows, will likely not see a renascence. I think I saw that “Motor mythbusters” too, and it was a train wreck.
I dunno. It's been too many years. Maybe the very first episode of the original "Mythbusters" was bad too. I quite literally can't even remember what it *was*, even though I'm sure I've watched it several times. But... this was definitely no Jamie, Adam, and Kari.
And it hurts a bit, too, because I loved that show so much, and I had friends that worked on it. This kind of feels like just more "Hollywood" (even if it's not *actually* Hollywood qua Hollywood) raping the corpse of something I loved, for money. Apparently other people felt the same way. It debuted in 2021, and only ran for one season.
Jesus fuck, yes it was. The one trying to do the "Fast and Furious" debunk? Oh gods, so many terrible ... *everything* with that episode.
huh uh: you take 5 Bens from the one, give a Hamilton to each to the five lazy, net four votes and pocket $450
☝️☝️☝️
“NATURAL RIGHTS- FREEDOM THAT: come when we take responsibility for our own actions.
Responsibility for our actions is certainly a part of that equation!
I propose there be an award called "The Sophie", for dunking on an opponent. " Citizen Vigilante" gets "the Sophie" for this weekend movie views. Over Supergirl.
I'm missing a reference, I believe. "Sophie"?
Sophie Cunningham and Caitlin Clark. Have you followed their situation at all?
I did happen to stumble upon something elsewhere last night that explained it. I had seen something prior about the Caitlin Clark assault, but it hadn't mentioned Sophie. So I get it now, but... I'm not much of a sports person in general, and the WNBA is even further outside my usual wheelhouse of knowledge than that.
Warmek's Knowledge of Sport: "The World Cup is happening."
How deep did you go?
Basically, Caitlin Clark transformed the WNBA from its terrible state—bringing back audiences, revenues, endorsements, and excitement. But because she is white, she is being borderline assaulted every night, and the refs are allowing it (and even calling absurd fouls on her), and the league is allowing it too.
Never assume incompetence when malice is a better explanation. This is on purpose. Just as the Brits arresting rape victims rather than their attackers is intentional. Just like importing those attackers in the first place was intentional.
Sophie Cunningham is Caitlin's enforcer. She is also hated because she's a beautiful blond white woman.
I definitely didn't go that deep. I saw the video of Sophie pointing at another player and that player being really mad about it. That was as far as I went.
That's pretty fucked up for them to do to the girl. And remarkably stupid, if she's the one finally getting people to watch.
It would be stupid if their goal were money. But is it?
I am pretty well out of it on new movies. Is Citizen Vigilante a good film?
JESUS FUCK, YES.
Well, OK. As "film" qua "film" it's... a bit like a well funded independent film. Cinematography on par with "Clerks". But the *message* is *amazing*.
Just looked it up. Awesome! And the pearl-clutching response from the usual suspects makes me wonder if any of them have any testosterone in their bodies AT ALL.
Today's Winner: THOMAS SOWELL 😃 (tough choice tho)
🤣😁🔥
Freedom Music Saturday!
"Sell Drugs, Run Guns, Nail Sluts, And Fuck The Law": A Story of the Founding Fathers (and Abe Lincoln)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-mEDPlJHEM
That was lit!!
Love the Sowell KO!
I truly have no option but to choose "Is she single", because... that's my kinda gal!
Though, sadly, "Flock Cameras" isn't even a meme. It's just reporting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDbySCnnEQU
As Anarchonomicon pointed out in one of her many violent pieces, civil disobedience can be very contagious…
Nice work Christopher 👏
🫡💪😁
Overall a good set! You know I have issues with keeping Us from Our rightful wealth by requiring Us to account for the energy We add into a system that, for needed things, needs fewer than 20% of Us...and We can automate all needed work no One WANTS to do. And thereby We are kept in slavery...
So the memes with support for that accounting are... Funny but...
Anyway, I'll let it go...for now! Haha!
Love always!
“You know I have issues with keeping Us from Our rightful wealth by requiring Us to account for the energy We add into a system”
Really? I had no idea! 🤣🤣🤣
[hugs!]