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Jim in Alaska's avatar

Let's see, I smoke close to two packs a day (Roll my own, grow some of my own tobacco.), drink a pot of coffee a day, semi-binge drink alcohol (3-4 days or a week or more no drinking but usually at least 3 beers when I do (Brew my own beer and sake.), I don't worry about glyphosate or micro-plastics. I have for decades avoided ingesting aluminum (Coffee Mate with sodium aluminosilicate in it for example,).

Hey it works for me but I have 87 years behind me, a different approach might well be more suitable for you youngsters. ;-)

The best way to assure product purity is to grow it yourself. A window box or two of sage, rosemary and thyme, etc. can assure one's spice desires.

I still have a book on my shelves published in 1951; A few Acres and security by L. W. Steelman. It notes and lays out how on even one acre you can grow, fruit, berries garden vegetables, produce chickens turkeys, pork, eggs , milk butter cheese honey, etc.

If you live say, it Tuxedo Junction the neighbors might complain if you raised pigs. However a 12X 15 or 20 foot pen, two wiener piglets bought in the spring & butchered in the fall can well satisfy a family's pork needs. Pigs are actually rather clean animals, if the pen stinks you ain't maintaining and cleaning it right. The one time I listed it all out and calculated, my home grown pork costs me less than half (Closer to a quarter) of store bought pork at the time and tasted much better!

If you can do it yourself you save lots of money. I just had the right rear brake cylinder fail on my Jeep. I checked and repair/replacement costs average $150 to $300 around the nation, much higher here atop the world.

Replacing it myself took less than 3 hours (A lot of that time finding, the right tools banging others to fit if I didn't have the right one, etc. If I've been replacing two cylinders the second one would have taken less than half an hour.), a $22 new cylinder and maybe seven bucks worth of brake fluid.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Perhaps all the exercise you do is what keeps you so preternaturally healthy.

Some people are also just born with rock-solid constitutions!

Jim in Alaska's avatar

I think the secret is picking the right grandparents.

& no I'm not suggesting my lifestyle for anybody else, unless they're at least 87. ;-)

Christopher Cook's avatar

Mom my will be next year. And your lifestyle would be the end of her in no time flat.

I bet you think young thoughts, too!

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

Interesting. I use very little throw away stuff. All glass 'glassware' and clay and porcelain and metal tableware. Of course we cannot leave the plastic boxes of strawberries, kiwis etc at the store. That amount of grain seems a bit over the top for one person, but I do buy organic ground grains from bobsredmill. Sometimes when it is on sale I will buy King Arthur. Adding a few vitamins and minerals, or tea, I usually gets way over the 50 $ limit to get free shipping at Vitacost.

I have not used any commercial cleaners in 15 years, but use vinegar (1/4 deluted with water) and peroxide., spray and let sit for a few minutes then wipe with one of these rags to clean the car with (the ones for household are identical but cost 4 times more) After years of struggling with home made laundry soap I found Roma, a Mexcian washing powder I am not allergic to. Since I use no bleach it does not wash as white as most would like but I do not care. I do not like most perfumes in laundry products for the obvious reason - sneezing.

Christopher Cook's avatar

"That amount of grain seems a bit over the top for one person"

—I know it sounds like a lot, but get this: every single prepper site I have ever looked at calculates the grain need for one person for one year at 300–400 pounds!

In good times, a person eats only about 150 pounds of flour in a year, but that is with all the other food that is available. Take that away, and the grain need goes up in order to keep the calories where they need to be each day.

So my 43 pounds (which would grind down to a similar amount of flour) is only enough for me for a few months, apparently.

Jim in Alaska's avatar

I was just reading a report concerning what gold rush miners needed to carry over the Chilkoot Pass, here in Alaska to make it through one year in the gold country. Most men's outfits contained around 1,200 pounds of food usually including 150 pounds of bacon, 250 pounds of flour and maybe 40 pounds of rice.

Christopher Cook's avatar

All things that keep pretty well (assuming the bacon is heavily salted).

Jim in Alaska's avatar

Which back in the day yes, it was heavily salted.

Even when I was growing up, -40s & -50s, the farther south you went the saltier certain things like hams became, to allow summer storage in warmer weather. A Virginia ham was cured with far more salt than a Pennsylvanian one. I don't remember were it was from but I do remember a ham so salted and so hard you couldn't cut it with a knife unless you soaked it in water for a day or so first.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yikes!

I have some salt stockpiled, but probably not enough!

Christopher Cook's avatar

We use hydrogen peroxide to clean mirrors and stuff. But hydrogen peroxide does not store well :-(

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

does not store well? I go through a bottle in less than 2 months. Use at my own house and at the one of my old friend. Just push a sprayer through the plastic cover and use it like that.

I have to keep my flour in the fridge because of the insects, and mice occasionally.

Christopher Cook's avatar

"I have to keep my flour in the fridge because of the insects, and mice occasionally."

—Buckets with gamma lids will solve that.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yeah, two months is easy peasy. I just made the mistake of buying a bunch of it, not realizing that it won't keep. So it's good for now, but not if the supply chain breaks down.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yeah, artificial smells mess with me, too. I have been using this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGV7HPHM

Can you share a link to Roma?

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

It is for sale at the Walmart and some Dollar General stores, but not always in stock, so when it is there I buy plenty. Most of the time it is in 1 kg bags (2,2 pounds) sometimes in 5 kg. This is the Walmart, but it costs way less in the store. (last I paidless than 2 $

for 2 pounds)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Roma-Laundry-Detergent-17-63oz/17176995

Here is the DG description, at 2,95 per bag : Not for sale in most stores, though.

Net weight 35.27 oz

Phosphate-free

Economical and effective

Biodegradable detergent

Christopher Cook's avatar

That is super inexpensive!!

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

It is! When I was a kid I did not realize how poor we were. I learned to be frugal with the porridge spoon.

Christopher Cook's avatar

There is a life-lesson in there somewhere…

Hat Bailey's avatar

Love this. It is part of what I meant about taking personal responsibility for your health as well as finances. I got stainless steel cups, straws, bamboo toothbrushes, avoid aluminum utensils, no non-stick except good quality ceramics, try to buy juices and other products in glass, get organic or at least non-GMO products and avoid HFCS sweeteners and other artificial. I still have a ways to go, but I have for along time have not relied upon the establishment medical establishment for health issues but researched natural holistic herbals or nutritional consciousness oriented approaches to healing. Thanks for finding some of these things for us Christopher.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Want to share links to any of the specific products you like?

I ordered aftermarket bamboo and charcoal sonicare attachments, but there was a snafu with the order…

EmotieGids ~ Henriette's avatar

This is a GREAT idea. I am sort of the same freak as you concerning the stuff we buy: money is power and a lot of us don't seem to use that power. Let's unite!

First thing that comes to my mind is ... please ditch Amazon! Those are the guys to avoid, because through their powers they determine the palette we can choose from. One example: here in the Netherlands, the dutch version of Amazon is Bol: because Bol delivers the next day, most ppl order from them, let's say a book. But in the last 5 years Bol determined to stop selling books which are critical about vaccines, meaning they grew so big that this big companies decide for us what to buy (which is always within the boundaries of the common narrative). Dangerous precedent. So to me, the first step is: find your product (if need be on Amazon) and then take a moment to find a small shop (local bookshop in this example) that sells the same article and order from them. Ditch the big boys! Talking of power ;-)

Now I will take a moment to think about handy, healthy stuff and where to buy it, although I doubt that we have the same possibilities here in Europe..

Christopher Cook's avatar

"money is power and a lot of us don't seem to use that power. Let's unite!"

—Uniting is very tough for freedom-minded people, because we are independent by nature. That is partially what I am trying to solve with the distributed nation concept. There must be a way to align loosely enough so as not to scare off independent freedom lovers, but with enough coherence to make us effective when needed.

EmotieGids ~ Henriette's avatar

I must confess, I am on the same independent page ;-) Seems like you are the perfect person to work out the distributed nation concept!

Christopher Cook's avatar

I'm tryin'! Please keep adding your thoughts—everyone's input really helps.

Christopher Cook's avatar

"although I doubt that we have the same possibilities here in Europe.."

—Can you not order from US sites?

My wife and I just received an absinthe fountain from Alandia in Germany. The tariffs made the shipping cost almost $80, but it arrived quickly, and the process was easy enough.

I know an absinthe fountain is a bit of an extravagance, but we've wanted one ever since our trip to New Orleans :-)

EmotieGids ~ Henriette's avatar

Never saw anything like that! Beautiful, congrats

Christopher Cook's avatar

Thank you—we are looking forward to trying it with friends.

Christopher Cook's avatar

"please ditch Amazon!"

—I suspected that someone would say this, and I do understand.

Thus far, I know that a long time ago, Amazon was messing around with books in its catalog, downgrading things in their rankings, etc. I have not heard much about that lately, though.

What else bothers you about them?

EmotieGids ~ Henriette's avatar

The fact that if we order all our stuff from Amazon and the like, means we don't buy from local (book)shops, meaning these shops will go bankrupt (or go solely online) and Amazon determines the market. That means less choice and less diversity. in products And no shops in the neighborhood to ask for advice.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yeah, I think that is about to happen to the bookshop in our little town :-(

Author John G. Dyer's avatar

How about literature as a constructive instrument of culture? The novel is in final draft, updated to chapter 41 at https://marolitango.substack.com/s/read-the-book

Christopher Cook's avatar

I think we need to do a whole separate thing on cultural products!

Author John G. Dyer's avatar

Great. I'll watch this channel. I have six of them, about to be seven.

Christopher Cook's avatar

All in the libertarian SF genre?

Author John G. Dyer's avatar

I would say libertarian-adjacent at least. Stories about people who succeed by showing up.

Robert Atkins's avatar

Yes, literature is a wonderful instrument of culture.

Robert Atkins's avatar

And are you dollar cost averaging your BTC holdings?

Elizabeth Quaintance's avatar

Cool 😎 👍

Ransom Frank Glew's avatar

For a long time now I have been making my coffee in an old Pyrex percolator that I inherited from my Mother. The biggest problem with these is that the stems and walls for the baskets are glass and break easily (a problem since, at 76, my hands are becoming increasingly arthritic and things slip when I am washing the dishes). I did find one Pyrex percolator at a garage sale that has a stainless steel stem and basket (marked Pyrex so it's original). I doubt anyone makes anything like this any longer but Pyrex items often turn up at garage sales. It's also important to never add cold water to a hot piece of Pyrex or move a hot Pyrex baking dish to a cold surface as the sudden change in temperature will cause the Pyrex to shatter VIOLENTLY!!!!

I also do a lot of my cooking with an old No. 8 cast iron skillet that I also inherited from my Mother...

Christopher Cook's avatar

I also like that Corning Visions glass cookware.

Ransom Frank Glew's avatar

I like Corning's products so much that I own stock in the company...

Christopher Cook's avatar

Nice! And I live a couple of hours away from them :-)

Ransom Frank Glew's avatar

I went to college at Geneseo, not far from Corning. The father of one of my friends at college was a rather famous designer for Corning. I had the great pleasure of having dinner with him and his charming wife, who was a colleague of Diana Vreeland, at their home in Nunda...

Christopher Cook's avatar

A number of my in-laws went to geneseo, and one relative is there now. And I am looking at land not too far from Nunda!

Ransom Frank Glew's avatar

I resided in Livingston County from late 1968 until mid 1978. It's a beautiful part of the state but, as I remember, it didn't have the greatest of opportunities for employment...

Peacefulturtle's avatar

Great thread, thank you. Ecos Paints are safer paints for the home, with beautiful colors, and low to no VOC's. For sensitive sleepers or those with allergies. Ecospaints.net. The company also has shielding paint for lowering emf radiation in the home, for calmer sleep, etc.

Christopher Cook's avatar

That is a great addition!

I am looking forward to putting together a database someday.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

Thank You for the work You did in compiling this list! When/if I get the wherewithal, I will be looking for many of these things!

Until then, I will work to obsolete money so We don't have to worry about having the wherewithal to live healthily.

Love always!

Cori Bren's avatar

I found an all glass and steel gallon jar with a spout, for cold brewing. I’ve also found ONE (all I could find) drip coffee maker with NO plastic parts that touch the coffee. It’s made to order (must be a startup) and quite expensive but worth it to eradicate plastic. We use a three filter system on our kitchen sink that removes microplastics from town water while leaving minerals in. Have had one issue with one of the filters cracking on top which could have been disastrous if we weren’t home at the time. It’s the second filter refill with no prior issues so we’re working through whether this was a pressure surge from our water provider or a filter quality issue. I take this amazing water with me everywhere in a glass or metal travel cup. Btw we switched to metal drink straws 4 years ago I have them with and without a mesh spoon on the end to stop things like lemon seeds, etc. from surprising us.

Here are all the links. All Amazon which I’m working on this year to convert to local purchases.

Cold brewer - Original Grind Coffee Co.,1... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JJMWWPL?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Metal straws

Yerba Mate Bombilla, 4Pcs Straw... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FLS2JNN?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

8 Pieces Spoon Straw Iced Tea... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08P4972YH?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Water filter

Aquasana Replacement Filter... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LB0L6MS?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

All glass/metal drip brewer - NOT Amazon

https://simplygoodcoffee.com/products/the-brewer-plastic-free

Christopher Cook's avatar

"All glass/metal drip brewer - NOT Amazon"

—Right, so we have the Breville espresso machine (https://a.co/d/0axyBUPv), which we absolutely love and use almost daily. But that does have plastic in it.

So we started talking about how we imagine that one day there will be enough demand for plastic-free coffee machines that someone will make them. I just sent your link to her, and she said, "It's about ____ing time LOL."

Cori Bren's avatar

Right? It’s pricey but worth it

Christopher Cook's avatar

"Aquasana Replacement Filter"

—We bought the Apec:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FSWPT5P

Christopher Cook's avatar

Cold brewer - Original Grind Coffee Co.,1

This would probably work well to make fruit infusions, too. Very nice!

Anne Mattingly's avatar

yes! so if you would please, on the cast iron hand grinders save me some researching and share what you learned about the grading? i was considering #2 but is one best or 3? sigh. lolol. thanks

Christopher Cook's avatar

You can get the Universal #2 (or #1) food grinder on Etsy. And they’re not even that expensive. Many are 100 years old, so look at the pictures and try to find ones with less rust. You can, of course, easily treat any surface rust.

https://www.etsy.com/search?q=universal%20number%202%20food%20grinder&ref=search_bar

Also make sure to get the ones that have all three grinder size attachments. (The little wheels.)

For example:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/4445597521/vintage-universal-no-1-meat-grinder-food

Anne Mattingly's avatar

do you know, would a meat grinder work for beans and grains? i had thought probably not

Christopher Cook's avatar

No, I think one would need a separate device for that. That is why I got the Victoria grain grinder too.

Anne Mattingly's avatar

ty!

Anne Mattingly's avatar

ty! every time you post i go look but i was unsure which grade was best. recently there was another product i was researching and learned that grade #3 was the best. i cant remember if it was a food product grade or not.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I had not heard of a #3—just #1 and #2.

Emumundo's avatar

I’m so happy that you’re organizing this. It’s so hard to find decent products that are healthy. Thank you and I’m going to buy some Einkorn now….

Christopher Cook's avatar

I am delighted that you feel so. When one organizes something like this, it is always an open question as to how it will be perceived, whether people will contribute or benefit, etc. Please share your experiences with the Einkorn!

Loup des Abeilles's avatar

I love einkorn. Thanks for reminding me to start eating it again. Einkorn farrotto!

Christopher Cook's avatar

You make it from scratch?

Loup des Abeilles's avatar

Very easy

Robert Atkins's avatar

All good ideas, thanks. And here's my contribution to the idea of helping each other - and increasing our spending power in the process - Bitcoin, a product that loves us all, and gives everyone in the world a chance to gain financial freedom whilst curtailing the power of central banks and governments to print endless money - which devalues everyone's spending power - so that they can fund endless wars and bail themselves out of one pickle after another.

Christopher Cook's avatar

At the moment, it is easier to use Bitcoin for individual-to-individual transactions than for individual-to-business transactions (because not many businesses accept it). Is that true?

I know that the same would apply to anything else we could come up with.

Unless … what if we came up with our own bank and you could deposit whatever you like into your account … ?

Robert Atkins's avatar

There is nothing in principle that makes it easier for individuals to transact with each other rather than an individual with a business. It depends on whether the person or the business has a bitcoin address, so it works just like an email address. Your question about relatively few businesses having jumped on board so far provides an answer as to why this is still very early days. And then your final question, which echoes Satoshi's motivation for developing this thing in the first place: That's what bitcoin is - everyone being their own bank and having their own self-sovereign account.

Christopher Cook's avatar

So you trade any currency that a BTC holder wants for an amount of BTC that is acceptable to that holder?

Hat Bailey's avatar

As I said I don't use exchanges to convert my bit coin into fiat.

Hat Bailey's avatar

This is true, I have sold quite a bit of BTC to local people for cash when I needed it. This is easier periodically when it is attracting interest as it peaks. There are also businesses that will accept BTC and pay bills for you, although most require personal identifying info, and there are those which will sell you gift cards or debit visa or mastercards for BTC.

Robert Atkins's avatar

What would be great would be for you to set up The Freedom Scale so that people can subscribe to you by paying you in bitcoin rather than fiat.

Robert Atkins's avatar

Good. You know you said that Hat sent you some satoshis, so does that mean that you've set up some kind of wallet - maybe a mobile app - so that you were able to receive them?