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Adam Haman's avatar

This was a masterpiece!

I'm going to steal it!

(well... link to it anyway)

Christopher Cook's avatar

Thank you, Adam. Link away, steal away, whatever helps the cause. Feel free to spread the concept of the fallacy, too. I think it’s legit.

Mike G's avatar

Couldn’t agree more. The more they steal the less you get from them. All grift all the time.

Christopher Cook's avatar

“ALL GRIFT, ALL THE TIME.”

Now THAT’S what the brochure should really say.

Natural Law Warrior's avatar

BRAVO!!

The Reverend Gonzo's avatar

DCFS/CPS is this father's greatest nightmare, having the government come in and become judge, jury, and executioner over how my wife and I choose to raise our kids. Democracy is nothing but a sham, just a way for one group to extract wealth from and power over others. As you state if your job depends on how many kids you kidnap then you will use any and all pretexts to pull kids from their families(much like how cops write as many tickets as they can rather than, I dunno, actually try to catch real criminals) and while I'm sure there are some kids in awful situations that truly need help I think most of the time these bloated government parasites cause much more harm than good.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Well said, and I am sorry for what you have gone through. Have you written about it?

The Reverend Gonzo's avatar

Hahahah, nah brother, I meant having dcfs called on me is something I fear, nothing has happened but I worry due to the insanity of the system.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yes, 💯💯💯. I have heard/read horror stories.

Ben Gangloff's avatar

Well done, and a needed essay. Thanks!

Christopher Cook's avatar

Thank you, Ben.

By the way, I am looking at land in the counties to the south of me. It is always helpful to have a broker who specializes in land. The typical house real estate agent is not going to walk corners, find survey pins, or tromp through the woods with me!

Ben Gangloff's avatar

Land is definitely not the same as selling residential. I’m in Arizona if that helps. (Not too much tromping through woods here, but very pretty high desert.) Best wishes for a successful search!

Christopher Cook's avatar

I lived in Phoenix for a few years. Now I am in the frozen wastes of Western NY!

Ben Gangloff's avatar

Used to spend a lot of time in Western New York/PA when I lived in Ohio. Great in the summer!

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yes, May through October is great!

The rest … meh.

Warmek's avatar

Oh, gods, don't buy land in NY! Move somewhere at least somewhat *closer* to freedom!

Christopher Cook's avatar

I feel that. But family is where family is. I might be able to nip into PA.

But also, county often matters more than state.

Warmek's avatar

Ahhhh, family. It's true. Not that I live particularly near mine. Well, it'll be closer, soon, as my sister and her family are moving to Dallas from West Virginia.

Hat Bailey's avatar

How can it possibly be made any more clear or understandable. What is wrong with the most intelligent creature on earth that the majority of people have not seen this for centuries?! Beats me.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I guess these things take a really long time. It took millennia for people to figure out that hereditary rule is BS. It won’t take as long to go from 2.0 to 3.0 as it did to got from 1.0 to 2.0, though. People are slowly coming around.

Hat Bailey's avatar

I guess it's the human equivalent of inertia. People get comfortable with the familiar even when it is uncomfortable or painful. It takes effort to understand and change things.

Andi Vendetta West's avatar

I've always referred to this as "Call to overly creative press release." But I think I like your name for it better.

Yes, the same government that enforces its every whim with the business end of a gun in the hands of a psychopath with totally unqualified and irrational immunity for their actions, is not capable of saving or protecting anyone.

A military can only take two actions in any situation: kill people and/or break stuff.

Our government has paramilitarized every agency and employee. That means that their only capabilities are the paralympic versions of kill people and break stuff and paralympians go fucking hard. The only way to survive is to think of every fed, statey and local leo as sharks. You hope you don't see one and you pray one doesn't see you. Not a comfortable position to be in.

Christopher Cook's avatar

We have some friends who are LEOs. I always want to ask them what they would do if told to enforce a completely tyrannical order. But we’re always partying and having a good time and I don’t want to spoil it with such questions. 🤷

PH Tollbooth's avatar

Liberty often means the freedom of organized power to act without being named. The lone citizen receives the pamphlet. The machine receives the kingdom.

Christopher Cook's avatar

I am not quite following your meaning. Can you elaborate?

PH Tollbooth's avatar

Some people are better than others at applying power. In a free society, they become the de facto rulers.

Christopher Cook's avatar

It is true that psychopaths are attracted to power. The benefit of a condition of consensual order (the absence of involuntary governance) is that at least the psychopaths do not enjoy inescapable, nonconsensual authority over you.

Brian's avatar

Without government, how would people of limited ability live like the wealthy?

Thinking of the US congress and many of the highly paid bureaucracy.

Christopher Cook's avatar

It’s a racket. 💯💯💯💯💯

Jim in Alaska's avatar

I still think you're selling the warlords short. As long as there are those to rape and pillage available, no need to collect taxes to support and ever growing army.

Only a nation can support an army? George Soros does, even if it is DAs and Antifa. Musk probably could if he wanted to, complete with rockets and atomics.

Also I feel your security for hire is a danger as well; "Hello I'm from Acme security, nice little anarcho-capitalistic settlement you've got here, a shame if anything happened to it.", as he breaks a window.

As I've noted before, I'm all for a anarcho-capitalistic distributed nation, but I suspect many answers we have to projected problems today we'll find need modifying or abandoning when presented with the real rather than the projected. I always like to have a plan D, E and F.

Christopher Cook's avatar

Yeah, those things are possible. No sane ancap is predicting perfection—just improvement.

There are very few hyper-rich people in the world. Setting aside a bit of crony capitalism (which would not be a problem in an ancap scenario), even those richest men have to convince people to buy their goods and services in the market. The richest man in the world couldn’t sustain the Pentagon’s operations for more than a year, and there are very few like him. And then his money is gone, and after the war he waged, wherever he waged it, he is an international pariah and out of money. And six other large, well-capitalized private protection agencies with hundreds of millions of customers are defending their clients against him. And scores of smaller agencies too, who wish to demonstrate to prospective customers that they too are players in the defense market.

Pillage is an option, but it was more of an option in centuries past. In a proper ancap scenario, people are wealthier, and they are armed with modern weapons. They receive discounts on their defense premiums for also being able to defend themselves. They are fighting back, as are their agencies, with modern weaponry. The warlord cannot just say, “Here’s 20 bucks and an AK, now go fund yourselves through rapine.” They have to equip such a force, and such a force will be shot at from every window. Three empires tried to subdue Afghanistan and couldn’t. Now imagine rich, freedom-obsessed Ancap Afghanistan.

Similarly, I don’t think rogue agencies could successfully manage attacking anyone’s clients. The other agencies would be all over them in a flash, trying to meet their fiduciary responsibilities to their own clients and attract the clients of the rogue agency.

You are absolutely right that we do not know exactly how all this will play out. Market forces aren’t perfect. But they are always better than monopoly power.

Brian's avatar

I agree, but how is that different from government security? At least this approach gives me the opportunity to change my contract to a competing agency. It's also a smaller operation than government. Those two facts make it a little easier to remove the extortionist.

How did government security do when people wanted to shut down small businesses for Covid? I believe they did the closing. What stops them from doing the same to protect us all from your bad political opinions? Just an example. Your political opinions seem to run parallel to mine.

Crixcyon's avatar

If it comes from government, burn it. It can be nothing other than propaganda. Even my SS statements are propaganda in a way. I can't burn 'em unless I throw my hard drive into the fire pit. We are nearing the apex of the mountain. Once we cross over, the downside is going to be hellacious. When that finally occurs, hope will grow like weeds.

Christopher Cook's avatar

My hope is already a thriving garden.

Warmek's avatar

> The presumption is that they protect future victims by capturing and incarcerating perpetrators.

And, of course, these days they mostly refuse to do even *that* much. Gaaaaaaaaaaah.

Warmek's avatar

> How do we get disputants to abide by decisions without forcing a single court of appeals on them? Quite easily, as it turns out … if you actually try it. Private law systems worked just fine in the Hanseatic League for 500 years and in Brehon Ireland for a millennium.

Oh, heh. See, I hadn't actually *gotten* to reading this post yet, which makes my comment on this topic on the *last* post retroactively *hilarious*. :D :D :D

Christopher Cook's avatar

I have learned more, and penetrated deeper into a new area of knowledge (anarcho-libertarianism), in the last 5 years then perhaps ever before in my life. So much new info. We all still have so much more to learn.

Warmek's avatar

*nod*

It's been about 25 years for me. I was a libertarian in high school and college, and it didn't take long for the inherent contradictions to bug my autism enough to drive me to a raging case of full blown anarchocapitalism. ;)

It was actually the friend of mine whose passing just, uh, passed (July 3rd, 2011) in early 2004 who said it out loud for the first time. "Warmek, if you're advocating for free-market judicial systems, I think you've run right off the edge of 'libertarianism' into straight up 'anarchism'." To which my response was, essentially, "OK, I can live with that designation." Oddly, I think it was a book *he gave me* that introduced me to the idea, though, so I consider him at least somewhat to blame. ;) (Vernor Vinge's "Across Realtime", specifically the novella "The Ungoverned", and to some extent, "Marooned in Realtime".)

Warmek's avatar

I wish I could give this post a thousand likes.

Amaterasu Solar's avatar

I ask... How will wars be built without the need for money to live richly, ALL of Us? Why would We go to war if We all can have what We need and most of what We want?

I agree that the legal/governmafia mess is best dropped, but as long as money is in the mix, psychopaths will be promoted to power - They will get the most, by hook or by crook, and then pay People to bully Us - to "fight wars" that They will control both sides of (like today). To manipulate Us in many ways.

Even without governmafia.

So as I see it, anarcho-abundancism is the solution, AND it returns to Us Our rightful wealth. We DO own a share of the wealth on Our planet, and could not go through it all in 20 lifetimes. Scarcity is artificial and created for profit/control.

The Third Option: Anarcho-Abundancism (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/the-third-option-anarcho-abundancism

You Are a Multimillionaire (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/you-are-a-multimillionaire

The Profit-Driven pHARMa/mediKILL Industry (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/the-profit-driven-pharmamedikill

Beneficial Technologies Stifled for Profit and Control (article): https://amaterasusolar.substack.com/p/beneficial-technologies-stifled-for